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Morello
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Posted - 12/10/2002 :  04:36:36  Show Profile Send a private Message
a friend of the family died,I went to his house and i saw some one in the window,i walked in the house with my sister and some others and no one was there. i walked throughout the house and no one was there. I was thinking it might have been johns ghost so i talked out to him and said to talk to me,then i hered something behind me i turnd to see a mans figure go by out side i ran out but nothing was there. the next day my grandmother was driving me home and i told here what had happend, she asked me what the man i had seen had on so i told her and she said that was what john had on when he left this life.

what do you all think or tell me if you have ever seen what you might think is a gohst.



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Bubonic Plague
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Posted - 12/10/2002 :  10:44:54  Show Profile  Send a private Message
i've seen plenty of ghosts in my house, cause my house is haunted. You just have to live with it and make frenz with them.

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BoulderHead
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Posted - 12/10/2002 :  14:06:19  Show Profile  Send a private Message
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i've seen plenty of ghosts in my house, cause my house is haunted. You just have to live with it and make frenz with them.
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a friend of the family died,I went to his house and i saw some one in the window,i walked in the house with my sister and some others and no one was there. i walked throughout the house and no one was there.
I thought I saw/felt the presence of a dear friend the night after she died. I'm not 100% sure that I did however, as I was tired and not keen to my senses at the time. It was a strange feeling that she was trying to tell me 'goodbye'.


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kyle_soule
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Posted - 12/10/2002 :  19:50:10  Show Profile  Send a private Message
Would a ghost be foolish enough to stand in a window, but obviously not want to be seen, due to the fact that it ran away when you wanted to see it?

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securitysix
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Posted - 12/11/2002 :  23:36:55  Show Profile  Send a private Message
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Originally posted by kyle_soule:
Would a ghost be foolish enough to stand in a window, but obviously not want to be seen, due to the fact that it ran away when you wanted to see it?

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A neophyte ghost might. He or she may want to see what is going on inside but may not be able to pass through walls or manipulate objects yet. Looking through the window or tailgating through doors may be their only choices for a while.



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kyle_soule
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Posted - 12/11/2002 :  23:45:33  Show Profile  Send a private Message
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Originally posted by securitysix:
quote:
Originally posted by kyle_soule:
Would a ghost be foolish enough to stand in a window, but obviously not want to be seen, due to the fact that it ran away when you wanted to see it?

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A neophyte ghost might. He or she may want to see what is going on inside but may not be able to pass through walls or manipulate objects yet. Looking through the window or tailgating through doors may be their only choices for a while.



You are missing my point. Why would a ghost stand infront of a window when he doesn't want to be seen? He could stand at a distance and avoid detection. Also, if there really are ghosts, how do they hide so well? Certainly there's nothing special about you, that only YOU can see them.

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Another God
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Posted - 12/12/2002 :  05:37:51  Show Profile  Send a private Message  Send Another God an ICQ Message
I think John Faked his death, and was going back to the house to pick up something he forgot to get for his trip to cuba, where he will be hiding out for the rest of his natural life.

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To leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical
And you will come to find that we are all one mind
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securitysix
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Posted - 12/12/2002 :  20:39:07  Show Profile  Send a private Message
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You are missing my point. Why would a ghost stand infront of a window when he doesn't want to be seen? He could stand at a distance and avoid detection. Also, if there really are ghosts, how do they hide so well? Certainly there's nothing special about you, that only YOU can see them.

It is possible that on a subconcious level, they do want to be seen, hence their appearances. It could be that they don't expect to be seen because most folks aren't on the wavelength to see ghosts, and the few that can are few and far between. This is, of course, assuming that ghosts exist. I have not seen any proof to the contrary, so I try to stay open-minded. And no, I don't see ghosts, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.



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kyle_soule
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USA
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Posted - 12/12/2002 :  23:26:28  Show Profile  Send a private Message
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It is possible that on a subconcious level, they do want to be seen, hence their appearances.

Ghosts have a subconscious mind? People don't walk into ghosts walking down the street, so how can they have a physical mind?

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It could be that they don't expect to be seen because most folks aren't on the wavelength to see ghosts, and the few that can are few and far between.

There is no special supernatural wavelength that some eyes can detect.

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This is, of course, assuming that ghosts exist. I have not seen any proof to the contrary, so I try to stay open-minded. And no, I don't see ghosts, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

You need proof to that invisible things don't exist?

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FZ
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Posted - 12/13/2002 :  00:39:07  Show Profile  Send a private Message
Are we talking about the ghost of christmas past, present or future?

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BoulderHead
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Posted - 12/13/2002 :  02:34:16  Show Profile  Send a private Message
I hope it will be all three, and that each brings me a gift.

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securitysix
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USA
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Posted - 12/13/2002 :  20:45:19  Show Profile  Send a private Message
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Ghosts have a subconscious mind? People don't walk into ghosts walking down the street, so how can they have a physical mind?

A) Thoughts move through physical minds with electrical impulses. Electrical impulses can move through particles in the air. 2) Ghosts are supposed to be spirits of once living things. If they do exist, then they obviously had a mind at one point, so yes, it's possible that they could have a subconsios mind without having a physical brain. I ain't sayin' it's so, just it's possible.

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There is no special supernatural wavelength that some eyes can detect.

OK, I should have put "wavelength" in quotes. I was hinting at a state of mind (psychological wavelength, maybe?). Could be that they are more open minded, or just nut jobs.

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You need proof to that invisible things don't exist?

The wind is invisible, but its effects are visible, hence we have proof. Infrared light is invisible to the human eye, but we have found instrumentation that can detect it, hence we know it exists. Black holes are invisible. It was once thought that everything in the universe orbited the earth and that the earth was flat. To speak any different was considered blasphemy. Both ideas were later proven wrong. So, yes, I need proof that they don't exist. I also need proof that they do exist. Until then, I'm on the fence regarding ghosts.



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MSI
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Israel
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Posted - 12/14/2002 :  16:42:01  Show Profile  Send a private Message  Visit MSI's Homepage  Send MSI an instant message
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a friend of the family died,I went to his house and i saw some one in the window,i walked in the house with my sister and some others and no one was there. i walked throughout the house and no one was there. I was thinking it might have been johns ghost so i talked out to him and said to talk to me,then i hered something behind me i turnd to see a mans figure go by out side i ran out but nothing was there. the next day my grandmother was driving me home and i told here what had happend, she asked me what the man i had seen had on so i told her and she said that was what john had on when he left this life.

i have two awnsers for that:
1. may be what you saw was a theif.
2.or you saw a "walking DEAD MAN" (like me)

see its simple


but realy i don't believ in ghosts may be what you see or hear was from your imagination

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Mr. Bill
Micro Wave


Canada
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Posted - 12/14/2002 :  23:06:57  Show Profile  Send a private Message
quote:

Originally posted by Boulderhead:
I thought I saw/felt the presence of a dear friend the night after she died. I'm not 100% sure that I did however, as I was tired and not keen to my senses at the time. It was a strange feeling that she was trying to tell me 'goodbye'.

Boulderhead! from what i have observed, i thought that you did not believe in any 'spritual' things.... or am i wrong?

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kyle_soule
Infrared Wave


USA
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Posted - 12/15/2002 :  00:41:05  Show Profile  Send a private Message
We are making a BIG assumption that ghosts exist even without any scientific proof whatsoever.

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Originally posted by securitysix:
A) Thoughts move through physical minds with electrical impulses. Electrical impulses can move through particles in the air. 2) Ghosts are supposed to be spirits of once living things. If they do exist, then they obviously had a mind at one point, so yes, it's possible that they could have a subconsios mind without having a physical brain. I ain't sayin' it's so, just it's possible.

Ghosts are not AIR, they are invisible, just because air is invisible and ghosts are invisible doesn't make them the same. This ghost would be meaningless without a physical mind, it would have no memory.

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The wind is invisible, but its effects are visible, hence we have proof.

Everybody's senses can detect the wind, universal proof, hardly worth using in comparison to ghosts.

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Infrared light is invisible to the human eye, but we have found instrumentation that can detect it, hence we know it exists. Black holes are invisible.

There is more undebatebly scientific proof. And as for black holes, those have plenty of mathematical proof and ontop of that we have observational proof.

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It was once thought that everything in the universe orbited the earth and that the earth was flat. To speak any different was considered blasphemy. Both ideas were later proven wrong. So, yes, I need proof that they don't exist. I also need proof that they do exist. Until then, I'm on the fence regarding ghosts.

You must lead a very nervous life, there could be invisible dangers all around you! Without proof of their NONEXISTENCE, you will always be worried.

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BoulderHead
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Posted - 12/15/2002 :  03:19:32  Show Profile  Send a private Message
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Originally posted by Mr. Bill;
Originally posted by Boulderhead:
I thought I saw/felt the presence of a dear friend the night after she died. I'm not 100% sure that I did however, as I was tired and not keen to my senses at the time. It was a strange feeling that she was trying to tell me 'goodbye'.
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Boulderhead! from what i have observed, i thought that you did not believe in any 'spritual' things.... or am i wrong?
As far as I know, you are still 'Mr. Bill'

You need perhaps to read more of my posts. I feel I have explained my position about such matters as pertaining to dogma. My take on the preaching of others may be summed up like this;

"No man who ever lived knows any more about the hereafter ... than you and I; and all religion ... is simply evolved out of chicanery, fear, greed, imagination and poetry." -Edgar Allan Poe

Therefore, do not preach nonsense to me. If you have experienced something out of the ordinary personally, then I have no problem with that in and of itself. It is, however, true for YOU and ONLY YOU. Incidentally, the existence of a 'spirit' of some individual is not proof of God. If it proves anything it would prove a spirit world.

"I am an atheist because there is no evidence for the existence of God. That should be all that needs to be said about it: no evidence, no belief." -Dan Barker

Conservative, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the liberal, who wishes to replace them with others.
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zk4586
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Posted - 12/15/2002 :  15:38:03  Show Profile  Send a private Message  Send zk4586 an instant message
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It was once thought that everything in the universe orbited the earth and that the earth was flat. To speak any different was considered blasphemy. Both ideas were later proven wrong. So, yes, I need proof that they don't exist. I also need proof that they do exist. Until then, I'm on the fence regarding ghosts.
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You must lead a very nervous life, there could be invisible dangers all around you! Without proof of their NONEXISTENCE, you will always be worried.

lol. As Richard Dawkins said, "There's this thing called being so open-minded your brains drop out."

"Man appoints, and God disappoints."
Miguel de Cervantes

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MSI
Visible Light Wave


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Posted - 12/16/2002 :  00:27:18  Show Profile  Send a private Message  Visit MSI's Homepage  Send MSI an instant message
your problem is too hard man [v]
its realy exciting seeing ghosts

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securitysix
Radio Wave


USA
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Posted - 12/16/2002 :  22:41:20  Show Profile  Send a private Message
quote:
Originally posted by kyle_soule:
We are making a BIG assumption that ghosts exist even without any scientific proof whatsoever.

quote:
Originally posted by securitysix:
A) Thoughts move through physical minds with electrical impulses. Electrical impulses can move through particles in the air. 2) Ghosts are supposed to be spirits of once living things. If they do exist, then they obviously had a mind at one point, so yes, it's possible that they could have a subconsios mind without having a physical brain. I ain't sayin' it's so, just it's possible.

Ghosts are not AIR, they are invisible, just because air is invisible and ghosts are invisible doesn't make them the same. This ghost would be meaningless without a physical mind, it would have no memory.

quote:
The wind is invisible, but its effects are visible, hence we have proof.

Everybody's senses can detect the wind, universal proof, hardly worth using in comparison to ghosts.

quote:
Infrared light is invisible to the human eye, but we have found instrumentation that can detect it, hence we know it exists. Black holes are invisible.

There is more undebatebly scientific proof. And as for black holes, those have plenty of mathematical proof and ontop of that we have observational proof.

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It was once thought that everything in the universe orbited the earth and that the earth was flat. To speak any different was considered blasphemy. Both ideas were later proven wrong. So, yes, I need proof that they don't exist. I also need proof that they do exist. Until then, I'm on the fence regarding ghosts.

You must lead a very nervous life, there could be invisible dangers all around you! Without proof of their NONEXISTENCE, you will always be worried.

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Since man does not know the true laws of God, why should any one human viewpoint be singled out as more correct than any other?


Actually, I don't lead a nervous life. As for proof of non-existance, or existance for that matter, of ghosts or other paranormal phenomenae, I don't require it to effect my stress level in a positive or negative way, I just like to have it.

Do you follow any particular religion? Do you believe in any sort of diety (God, Allah, Bishnu, Buddha, to name a few)? If the answer is no, I'm not sure how you get through everyday life, but that's your business, not mine. If you do, prove to me that they do exist (I know it's off topic, more of a rethorical request). I believe in a diety or a group of dieties as much as I do in ghosts. It is possible that they exist, but they cannot be seen. Show me scientific evidence that they do or don't exist.

My other comments, I'll let stand or die on their own merit or lack thereof. It may make me sound a fool, but at least I would come by the title honestly.



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FZ
Gamma Wave


United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/16/2002 :  22:52:03  Show Profile  Send a private Message
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If the answer is no, I'm not sure how you get through everyday life

Well.... just fine actually.

And its Vishnu, not Bishnu.

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securitysix
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Posted - 12/17/2002 :  19:19:44  Show Profile  Send a private Message
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And its Vishnu, not Bishnu.


Sorry, I've only heard it pronounced, never seen it in print. I apologize for that.




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