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chosenone
Infrared Wave
USA
323 Posts |
 Posted - 02/04/2003 : 17:12:31
To make hydrogen stable without the electron falling toward the proton their has to be a force to prevent it.negative electromangetic field to be exact.the proton has a north and a south magnetic pole,it just can't produce a negative field by itself.so,when a electron comes close to a proton,the north pole of the proton absorbs the negative field of the electron,and sends it through to the other side of the proton and radiate a negative field.so when the protons magnetic field radiates both negative and positive fields from the electrons presents,the proton attracts and repels the electron,keeping it stable in obit.THE UNIVERSE IS A GRAVEYARD FOR THE EXPANTION OF INFINITY!
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chosenone
Infrared Wave
USA
323 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2003 : 17:29:53
So since the protons need a negative electromagnetic field to start the positive and negative fields to pass through the protons poles,when you add a neutron what happens is that the proton is spinning,and the neutron lines up next to it.the neutron emits a negative and positive field,so the protons north pole takes the negative and begans to polorize the protons two fields.the south pole takes the positive of the neutron and sends it through,to come out at the north pole,when this happens the nucleus begans to radiate a field of two positives and one negative,just by the two fields from the neutrons entering the protons magnetic poles.so the one positive to the one negative cancel out,leaving one positive left to attract a electron.so i think its sake to say the I solved the atom,don't you!THE UNIVERSE IS A GRAVEYARD FOR THE EXPANTION OF INFINITY!
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jammieg
Radio Wave
USA
45 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2003 : 03:15:40
That makes some sense,
What do you mean by "sending it through?, is
there energy conversion taking place? Like passing a magnet
over a coil of wires- is charge being redistributed?
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STAii
X-Ray Wave
Jordan
1376 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2003 : 17:28:59
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To make hydrogen stable without the electron falling toward the proton their has to be a force to prevent it
Not exactly, if there is a force affecting the electron, and the electron has a velocity tangential to that force, then the electron will never fall into the proton (well of course, i am assuming that the force is exactly the one needed for this to happen, and that the electrons is at a good distance from the proton, and has a good velocity).
And this is what actually happens.
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the proton has a north and a south magnetic pole
You cannot say that the proton is a magnet , magnetic forces are what we interpret as forces between moving charged bodies, therefore you cannot take the proton to be a magnet (it is rather stable than moving).
I think someone more good at this will explain this point later ...You've gotta be japaneese !
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chosenone
Infrared Wave
USA
323 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2003 : 18:05:43
O.K. so this is how how look at how elecrtromagnetic fields work with magnets or atoms.both poles of a atom or magnet or planet send their fields through eachothers poles simutaniously.when a magnets atoms or iron,align themself,the atoms nucleuses are positive to negative on down the line.this means that the positive field entering the negative side from it's north pole,at the south pole,can pick up extra positive energy from the atoms north pole or positive side from below.as it enters the negative side of the atom above,with the atoms own,it doubles the atom aboves over all positive energy.at the same time the positive energy keeps adding up as it transfers down the line,then increased positive from the top and bottom pull the negative energy more strongly from the other atom,thus giveing it a 2 to 1 potential.so if the electrons valence shells of the iron atom are plit two ways.the first two are one electron obiting both poles of the spinning nucleus.the the next shell holds 8,so 4 on either side of the nucleus orbiting equal distance apart,the next shell,spiting them up till they meet at the equator.so at each point between one atom and the other as they align them self,13 electrons orbit at both poles closest to the fields travelling between the nucleuses.the high positve fields since they are stronger pull the negative from the orbiting electrons passing them through the poles adding the to each other on down the line.so my point is,that the proton has both a positive pole and a negative pole,but can't have a negative charge,on it's own.so when the electron comes close to the proton.the protons north pole begans to pull the negative field from the electron through its pole.when the proton has enough negative energy passing through it,the south pole or negative side begans to emit negative energy.the the protons poles exchange both fields through eachother.thus the proton radiates both fields at the same time using the negative field of the electron itself,thus giving the the proton the ability to attract and repel the electronsTHE UNIVERSE IS A GRAVEYARD FOR THE EXPANTION OF INFINITY!
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chosenone
Infrared Wave
USA
323 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2003 : 19:20:12
I don't know what will happen if you try this,or it's already been done,but have you tried put nothing but protons in a containment field,with sensors to see what happens to the protive charge,when you subject them to high negative fields,synthesising ghost electrons in orbit around them,to see if the protons charges cancel out.i think this will show if it's the particles presents or just the field that bonds electrons together.also have you tried putting radioactive metals in a highly magnetic field to cool,to get the atoms to magnetically align.I think by doing this even know they don't have magnetic properies themselves,having the atoms magnetically aligned when they cool would be just like how i descibed magnets,the positive field from the atom below it will send it's energy into the atom above it,adding it's energy to it as the fields travel betweeen the nucleuses poles.i think by doing this,you would increase the positive field around the nucleus of the isotopes,giving it more positive energy to repel the protons and neutrons inward ,than they have just by themselves,as the magnetic fields travel between them!THE UNIVERSE IS A GRAVEYARD FOR THE EXPANTION OF INFINITY!
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chosenone
Infrared Wave
USA
323 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2003 : 17:22:27
Well now that i have some free time.I have another thing to add.to make this model work you have to account for how a electron when it enters into a higher energy state,then drops back to its normal one,emitting a photon,must be explained.so if the protons have both a north and a south pole,but the proton does'nt have the ability to create its own negative field,it takes the electrons fields through its north pole,then charges the south pole and begans to emit a negative field using the electrons to do it,this gives the proton a negative and a positive field to attract and repel the electron into a stable orbit.but what happens when a particle hits the electron sending it into a high energy state.the proton receives a greater negative charge from the electron as it gets closer to the proton,so the repultion factor increases with the electrons distance.so the closer it gets the more it repels back,froms its own energy being used against itself,but the reason that when it returns to normal energy state,it releases a photon as the energy is converted from the energy it gained when the particle hit the electron,is the anti energy the electron creates to send it into motion,as it uses it to repel against spacetime.but since its lock in the nucleus the energy is not enough the force it out of orbit,so the anti energy coverts directly into a photon,instantly accelerating to light speed as the photon begans to repel itself,as it itself is pure anti energy.THE UNIVERSE IS A GRAVEYARD FOR THE EXPANTION OF INFINITY!
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morp
Infrared Wave
Belgium
289 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2003 : 17:22:38
quote:
Originally posted by chosenone:
To make hydrogen stable without the electron falling toward the proton their has to be a force to prevent it.negative electromangetic field to be exact.the proton has a north and a south magnetic pole,it just can't produce a negative field by itself.so,when a electron comes close to a proton,the north pole of the proton absorbs the negative field of the electron,and sends it through to the other side of the proton and radiate a negative field.so when the protons magnetic field radiates both negative and positive fields from the electrons presents,the proton attracts and repels the electron,keeping it stable in obit.THE UNIVERSE IS A GRAVEYARD FOR THE EXPANTION OF INFINITY!
Chosenone, Do you understand why the moon does not fall on the earth?
Do you know a moving electron has two magnetic fields, its own, and the field created by a moving charge.
Besides the mechanism that prevent the moon from falling on the earth the electron is blown away by the magnetic field of the proton. Morp
If someone will tell the truth give him a horse
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chosenone
Infrared Wave
USA
323 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2003 : 17:29:09
Accually I might have one for you,what will you give me for a correct answer? if motion generates a anti energy field to give it the ability to repel against spacetime keeping in motion,the planet is spinning,and all the molecules in the mantel and core are highly energized fast moving particles,so the planet spinning traveling around the sun and the atoms in motion in the core create its own anti energy fields to repel against normal gravity.what I win,thought so!!!THE UNIVERSE IS A GRAVEYARD FOR THE EXPANTION OF INFINITY!
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Mr. Robin Parsons
Infrared Wave
Canada
355 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2003 : 01:57:17
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Originally posted by Chosenone
.............the proton has a north and a south magnetic pole.............
If this were the case, then why is it that protons do not regularily line up, magnetically linked ot one another, rather then the high repulsiveness that they demonstrate, and have been measured as having??
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ObsessiveMathsFreak
Infrared Wave
Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
282 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2003 : 10:41:31
We've been here before chosenone, remember.The only force on the moon is gravity. The gravity pulls the moon towards the earth, but, because of the moons velocity ( at right angles to the accelleration), it maintains a constant distance from the earth. There is no "anti-gravity" force. If there was the moon would fly off into space. Think of swinging a ball around and around on a string. The only force on the ball is the tension in the string. There is no repulsive force. "May the maths be with you"
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chosenone
Infrared Wave
USA
323 Posts |
Posted - 02/14/2003 : 20:37:29
You know I really getting sick and tired of poeple not listening to anything I have to say to them.Is anything every going to get through to you.I come here and tell poeple these thing,you know I expect a answer,other that just blowing me off like I don't have anything worth a damn listening to.so **** off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1THE UNIVERSE IS A GRAVEYARD FOR THE EXPANTION OF INFINITY!
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Frank Meoni
Micro Wave
USA
143 Posts |
Posted - 02/14/2003 : 21:54:28
Mr. One, It appears that they have listened to you. The problem is that they refuted your idea and presented some facts to back it up. I can see you certainly have put some thought into your presentation but this isn't a philosophy forum and just thinking about physics isn't enough. You can't just take a few facts that you know and think of some theory that fits the data. Quantum mechanics is one of the most successful theories ever. By successful I mean that the experimental data has fit the predictions almost every time. You can't discount that (which is exactly what you did) and the 100 years of work that has gone into QM.
Now don't get all upset because never challenging widely accepted theories is a bad thing. After all we might be still under the impression that the Earth is the center of the Universe and there is an invisible Aether all around us. Just be a little more prepared to back up your theories (maybe a little math to help clarify your ideas) and also be ready to take critizism (I think I spelled that wrong).Thanks for listening.
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securitysix
Radio Wave
USA
21 Posts |
Posted - 02/19/2003 : 00:09:58
For the most part, it sounds like you've got a pretty good theory going here, chosenone. Here's where I think you lose the most people:quote:
repel against spacetime
It seems to me (I could be wrong) that all of your posts wind up going here sooner or later. This is what gets me, at least. Now, I don't think it is possible to repel against spacetime because I don't see spacetime as having a charge or a surface to repel against. Now if you could explain to us exactly what the resistance of spacetime is, that would be a good start. Also, how much force does it take to repel against this surface or how much of a charge (positive or negative?) does it take to get away from it as opposed to breaking even? Not trying to get on your case, but you're throwing up some stuff here that is tough for people to take. I, for one, just don't get it, though I would like to. If you can get the math for it on here, that will help most folks, even if the words don't. Help us out here, chosenone.
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chosenone
Infrared Wave
USA
323 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2003 : 15:26:47
What I mean about repelling against spacetime is that look at space as just space,nothing in it but just empty space.then you add energy to it from the big bang,as matter converts into energy as it collapses around infinity compressed matter that can compress any more.when the singularity forms the rest of matter that did'nt compress in the star collides with the singularity.it converts into energy,thus charging spacetime with positive energy"gravity"from matter itself.so when spacetime is charged with energy,anti energy in the presents of the high charge of the universe repels the anti energy into motion.thus a photon as pure anti energy doent interact with matter as it hits it transfering energy in the prosess, because anti energy and normal matters energy while in motion are different.so a photon can sustain light speed indefinently because of its anti energy properties!THE UNIVERSE IS A GRAVEYARD FOR THE EXPANTION OF INFINITY!
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Elasticity2
Radio Wave
United Kingdom
52 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2003 : 16:48:16
It seems to me that we have the usual misunderstanding as to what Quantum theory does and does not do. It tells us what is happening and what will happen, it does not tell us 'how' and 'why'.
Chosenone is trying to tell us how and why. Although I thoroughly disagree with his ideas I do wish that members would engage in the how and why debate without pretending that Quantum theory has all the answers when in fact it is a system of statistical prediction based on observations and not an explanation of how and why.
Chosenone might like to cosider the following:
Given that all zero charged particles are there own anti-particles is it possible that a zero charge force is its own anti-force. Now if you have one force and one anti-force what more do you need to explain gravity?
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chosenone
Infrared Wave
USA
323 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2003 : 17:12:15
Gravity is just a property of a masses energy itself.the more mass their is the more gravity their is right,thus the more energy their is the more gravity their is,right.so gravity is determined by how much energy their is,so energy=gravity=mc^2THE UNIVERSE IS A GRAVEYARD FOR THE EXPANTION OF INFINITY!
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chosenone
Infrared Wave
USA
323 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2003 : 17:49:28
First of all I'd like to say that gravity moves faster that light,something einstein would never accept.how can a galaxy keep all the stars in motion,or set them into motion by the drag of moving spacetime gravitationally attracting spacetime around a mass spinning on it's axis,and move by a stationary object or mass and not effect it.thus forcing a mass into orbit by the energy of moving spacetime passing though the mass,and it's own gravity attracting it to the spacetime thats moving.in order for this to work gravity must attract all object at the same time.look at it this way,this might impress you a little bit,but it's my best argument.if matter or a mass radiates gravity out to attract another object,where does the constant energy supply come from to support matters need for energy to create gravity,and electromagetic fields for that matter?matter can create its own energy and can't get it from nowhere,energy conservation.or entropy.so in order for gravity to radiate out grap onto energy,bring it back to convert it into electromagnetism,and not be missed or matter with run out of energy to radiate gravity from the energy its mass contains.it travels faster than light attract a object in orbit takes on energy from spacetime,and is back before its missed.basically,it is back before it left!THE UNIVERSE IS A GRAVEYARD FOR THE EXPANTION OF INFINITY!
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chosenone
Infrared Wave
USA
323 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2003 : 14:58:58
And last but not least.anti matter.since matter is positive energy and spacetime is positively charged,matter attracts energy from spacetime to supply matter with energy.but would'nt anti matter then repel spacetime energy and not be able to function then.I have that answer.if matter anti matter natural travels at light speed,(photons,positrons)their energy forces them into motion as it interacts with spacetime,but since normal matter in motion creates a anti fields along with normal energy,to accelerate matter,thus the opposite should be true,as the spin of a anti particle accelerates, anti matter with radiate a gravitational field or positive energy field from the anti particles spin,travelling at light speed as it travels at light speed,thus giving antimatter the ability to create gravity to absorb positive energy from spacetime to creat electromagnetic fields to function just like normal matter does.THE UNIVERSE IS A GRAVEYARD FOR THE EXPANTION OF INFINITY!
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chosenone
Infrared Wave
USA
323 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2003 : 17:52:43
So I think the guy who says he does'nt get what I mean about spacetime giving matter it's ability to stay in motion wants to know what I mean better because he said he does'nt agree with it.SO,what I have to do is then show you logically as you will see that it just must be.so what do you need to know about the laws of physics,that one keeps light at light speed,how matter gets energy to create gravity,and electromagnetic fields,and the most important stay at a uniform motion in a straight line until acted on by an outside force.it also explains why a mass can't travel faster that the speed of light.so if you charge spacetime with positive energy and make gravity of the same type of energy so that spacetime and matter attract one another,everything makes sense.gravity attract spacetime and takes on energy from its mutual attraction.since it can't gain more energy than it should,converts it into electromagnetic fields and radiates it away.light speed can't be surpassed because when a mass is at 99.9% of light,the high gravitational field produced by the energy it has when it accelerated their verses the amount converte in the atoms to create anti fields to repel spacetime to accelerate it can be exceded by the attraction of gravity to spacetime from behind it,so the more energy you try to give matter at light speed just adds to the gravity only locking it from going faster anyway.matter stays at a contant speed because matter when it gains energy and sends it into motion never losses it,so if you turn the energy in to anti energy inside the atom,it gives it the ability to repel spacetime from the energy in verses to anti energy convertion keeping int in motion.so if you think it's a wrong theory,it's better that antthing you got anyway.plus I can just come up with another one in two seconds if i had to because im here doing this anyway,so why not see if im right and if im wrong ill fix itTHE UNIVERSE IS A GRAVEYARD FOR THE EXPANTION OF INFINITY!
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ObsessiveMathsFreak
Infrared Wave
Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
282 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2003 : 15:21:38
Stop, just stop , please.Your not making any sence at all. You even contridict you contridictions. To date you have been mentioning the following in you posts. 1) Anti-Energy.
This appears to be your personal favourite. You have used it in near every post an reply you've ever sent. Now that wouldn't be such a bad thing if you hadn't used it to "explain" known phenomena. You keep throwing it in to topics it has nothing to do with. 2)Spacetime
Another favourite. You keep talking about spacetime fields and spacetime energy but you've never actually said what spacetime is. Most of us have heard of spacetime before, but not the spacetime you talk about. 3)Anti-Gravity
We've been over this. Moon velocity about earth. Earth's gravity affects the moon. Moon takes circular pathe. That's it, end of story, there is NO anti-gravity, anti-spacetime, OR negative energy on the moon. At least not using ANY theories anyone has ever heard of. You keep saying there is and then you shout at us when we tell you that there isn't. The following are the things you have NOT mentioned in any of your posts. 1)Mathematical Equations.
Not once, not ever, have you posted a single equation in ANY of your posts. I'm beginning to think that perhaps you don't actually know any maths at all and are just regurjitating snippets of theories you pick up from here and there. Sorry, but physics is all about maths, that's just the way it is. 2)Any observations of any kind.
Not once have you cited any experiment, observation or any other motivation for your theories. They would add a lot to your credentials you know. At least if people saw an application they would be more inclined to listen. 3)Paragraphs
A Paragraph is a group of at least three sentences seperated from other paragraphs by an empty line.
You've never posted one. It would help if your arguments were easier to read. Alas Chosenone I can help you no more. Only you can help yourself. "May the maths be with you"
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Edited by - ObsessiveMathsFreak on 03/05/2003 15:22:24
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