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Turtle
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Posted - 02/17/2003 :  21:19:29  Show Profile Send a private Message
I think that Albert Einstein is the greatest physicist of all time.

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MajinVegeta
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Posted - 02/17/2003 :  21:29:48  Show Profile  Send a private Message
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I think that Albert Einstein is the greatest physicist of all time.

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Kerr_plunk
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Posted - 02/17/2003 :  21:35:56  Show Profile  Send a private Message  Send Kerr_plunk an instant message
Depends how you define that. I've always been partial to Richard Feynman.



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FZ
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Posted - 02/17/2003 :  23:35:02  Show Profile  Send a private Message
Having not met the gigatonne brains of B341353 Prime, or the crystaline silicon planet-mind of T232346, I must point my fragile eye-antenne in the direction of the antropod "Hue-mann" "Albert Einstein" in the puny planet of Sol III.

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voyeur
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Posted - 02/18/2003 :  05:10:34  Show Profile  Send a private Message
Since Newton did physics, even if some of it was wrong, I guess he qualifies for nomination. In my opinion, he deserves the honor of greatest physicist and probably the smartest person who ever lived for inventing calculus. And he wrote a big book too.



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Heumpje
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Posted - 02/18/2003 :  08:33:06  Show Profile  Send a private Message
Why o why is A.E always the best. Feynman and Newton were also nice. Bohr should get a compliment as well as do Weinberg or Glashow or Salaam. Bardeen Cooper and Schrieffer have also done some nice work.
Seriously now: we already had a poll on the best dead physicist. Why not think of persons still alive. Ones that you can still admire in lectures they are still giving (so that you don't have to buy their collected work for a lot of money). Ones that can still inspire you to do physics, simply by having a chat with them.
I have been very much inspired by M. Veltman. Nobelprize winner and "initiator" of the standard model. He deserves some credit as well. Another person whom i greatly admire for his contribution to physics is Bob Laughlin. Apparently he is not a very nice person to work with, but his invention of the quantum Hall effect was really magnificent. The lectures these people are giving today will be just as famous as the ones RPF gave so many years ago.

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Turtle
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Posted - 02/18/2003 :  18:10:13  Show Profile  Send a private Message
Sir Issac Newton co-invented calulus along with Lebnitz.

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Mentat
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Posted - 02/18/2003 :  18:23:46  Show Profile  Send a private Message
This is tough for me, because my favorite physicist is Edward Witten. But I guess the "greatest physicist of all time" would have to be Einstein.



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voyeur
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Posted - 02/18/2003 :  19:21:03  Show Profile  Send a private Message
I was under the impression Newton discovered it independently (maybe simultaneously), I didn't think he collaborated with leibnitz. And Newton did much more than calculus. How many people have invented a totally new, revolutionary kind of math?



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Sting1983
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Posted - 02/19/2003 :  02:28:00  Show Profile  Send a private Message  Visit Sting1983's Homepage  Send Sting1983 an instant message
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I was under the impression Newton discovered it independently (maybe simultaneously), I didn't think he collaborated with leibnitz.

That sounds reasonable and if there was any collaboration, it was kept to a minimum.

I have a history of mathematics book by Burton and it goes into the detail of that rivalry. Pretty heated if you ask me.


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And Newton did much more than calculus.

I'm not sure, but I've always like Liebniz's notation WAY better than Newton's.

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How many people have invented a totally new, revolutionary kind of math?

Well, I'm working on something called "Calculometry"...

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Tom
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Posted - 02/19/2003 :  02:50:47  Show Profile  Send a private Message  Visit Tom's Homepage
I always vote A. E., but if we listen to Heumpje and go for someone alive, I have to say Weinberg.

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climbhi
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Posted - 02/19/2003 :  04:08:10  Show Profile  Send a private Message
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Originally posted by voyeur:
I was under the impression Newton discovered it independently (maybe simultaneously), I didn't think he collaborated with leibnitz. And Newton did much more than calculus. How many people have invented a totally new, revolutionary kind of math?



I actually heard that newton tried to sue leibnitz when he came up with the different notations for calculus becuase he said the ideas were his first, so that should answer your ideas on collaboration. The main differences I think between their formulations of calculus was newton didn't accept the integral as a sum of infintissimals where leibnitz did, and liebnitz's notation is much more intuitive and conceptually pleasing (his is the d/dx type where as newton used pretty much only the f'(x) notation).

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climbhi
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Posted - 02/19/2003 :  04:15:06  Show Profile  Send a private Message
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Originally posted by Heumpje:
Another person whom i greatly admire for his contribution to physics is Bob Laughlin. Apparently he is not a very nice person to work with, but his invention of the quantum Hall effect was really magnificent.

Just wondering, ever since Dr. Horst Stormer gave a lecture on the Fractional Quantum Hall Effect to my physics class last year I've been very interested in FQHE. Stormer and Tsui were the guys who actually discovered it whereas Lauglin was the guy who developed the theory for why it happens. Stormer gave an incredible presentation and is a VERY VERY nice guy! I mean he came to Boise Idaho and took time to talk to a high school physics class(he actually wanted to talk to us becuase we had recently just developed the first ap physics program in idaho but...) how many Noble laureates do that? I just thought it was strange that you said Lauglin wasn't a nice guy to work with becuase it seems so completely opposite of Stormer. Where did you here these things? Anyway I'm now grading for a professor here who worked a lot with Stormer and Tsui (too bad he didn't share in the Nobel) but I'm hoping this might hook me up to do some future research with him!

Oh by the way I'd also go for Feynman or Newton. Einstien had some super idea's but when you actually look at who gave the most to physics, I'd say its Newton, and RPF was just a really cool guy!

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Heumpje
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Posted - 02/19/2003 :  08:15:08  Show Profile  Send a private Message
You're of course absolutly right there climbhi.. Bob Laughlin only wrote down the theory for FQHE, he didn't discover it. Actually I thought it was in essence a really simple thing:replacing a 1 by a 3 in a macroscopic wavefunction. The proof that it is allowed and the ramifications of this were of course not that simple and Noble worthy. The story you tell about Stormer is exactly what I meant. Clearly he stimulated you to dive deeper into physics.

I'm also currently working on my Master thesis and the Prof I work with is a friend of Bob. Apparantly Bob is a very nice guy to have a normal conversation with, but on conferences, and things like that, when he's talking physics he's just not such a nice guy. He will ask the speaker nasty questions (which is, of course, fine IF they're reasonable) and continiously interrupt. The general audience finds this very annoying (not my prof of course: he is founder of the BOB Fan-club ;) ). Anyway, that's what I heard. Perhaps they are just rumours from people who would have liked to write down a FQHE theory and win that Noble prize....

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wolfgang77
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Posted - 02/19/2003 :  08:28:07  Show Profile  Send a private Message
Great posts Cimbhi and Heumpje. My pick for the greatest physicist would be Einstein, followed by Newton. Hawking gets most overated and Peter Lynds gets most brilliant up and commer.



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ObsessiveMathsFreak
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Posted - 02/19/2003 :  09:02:50  Show Profile  Send a private Message
Wrong! All Wrong! :E

It was Archimedies! Danm you Zeus!

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alis
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For the living ones, I'd have to go with Weinberg, too. Reading his stuff gives you an amazing amount of respect for the amount of understanding he has.

In up-and-comings, Steven Gubser is pretty impressive. He started publishing important string theory papers as an undergrad (!) and just got full tenure at Caltech at age ~23 after they stole him away from Princeton/IAS. It's sort of scary...

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Mentat
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Posted - 02/20/2003 :  18:57:05  Show Profile  Send a private Message
Like I say, as far as living goes, I choose Witten. Of course, there are many others worth mentioning, but since my interest is inclined toward M-Theory, right now, I pick Witten.



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FZ
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Posted - 02/20/2003 :  21:13:32  Show Profile  Send a private Message
For living physicist, I am very interested in Amelino-Camelia for his work on DSR, which looks, right now at least, very exciting....

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selfadjoint
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Posted - 02/20/2003 :  23:44:21  Show Profile  Send a private Message
Newton and Einstein were actually fairly similar.

Both worked in more than one branch of physics (Newton in gravity and "Opticks", Einstein in relativity and quantum mechanics).

Both spent years on unproductive researches (Newton on Alchemy, Einstein on his Unified Field Theory).

Both had more than one super brilliant idea (Newton had his three laws of motion plus the insight that a body in orbit about a center of force with conservation of angular momentum experiences only a radial acceleration, Einstein had special relativity, general relativity, and the photon)

As physicists I consider them equal. But Newton was more. He was one of the three greatest mathematicians in history (the other two are Archimedes and Gauss). For sheer productive intellect, Newton beats anybody we know of in history.

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eNtRopY_137
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Posted - 02/21/2003 :  00:58:31  Show Profile  Send a private Message  Send eNtRopY_137 an instant message
I've never really understood why people take pleasure in ranking and categorizing things.

Anyway, I once read that Landau once came up with a rating system for the greatness of physicists. I believe he rated the physicists on a scale of 1 to 5 -- 1 being the best; 5 being the worst. I believe he gave Einstein a 1, but he only gave himself a 2.


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