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STAii
X-Ray Wave
 
Jordan
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Posted - 02/21/2003 : 10:37:58
I just wanted to pass this internet site that claims that Einstien went wrong in his understanding of time, and that this can be made right with a new theory called "Vortex Thoery" Check it out You've gotta be japanese !
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Edited by - Janus on 02/21/2003 17:57:52
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FZ
Gamma Wave
  
United Kingdom
2222 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2003 : 11:33:03
Hmm.... It didn't actually provide a proof at all. To get an english proof(And on an english site!), you have to buy the book. Kinda dodgy? Most of the site was basically raving about how Einstein was wrong because the vortex theory is right, and how every textbook must be rewritten etc etc, how they are going to get nobel prizes once the establishment recognises them.... Seems to be aiming for a high crackpot index. I haven't seen much to separate them from the mass of other radicals out there. I mean crap like: quote: #2 What is Energy? Energy is the second most important concept in all of science. Einstein won the Nobel Prize by explaining the photoelectric effect. He said that energy travels in packets called photons that possess both wave and particle characteristics. Yet not even Einstein knew what a photon was! [Only the Vortex Theory can explain it.] #5 Why does NEWTON’S FIRST LAW EXIST? Answer: don’t know! First law - a body at rest remains at rest, and a body in motion continues to move at constant speed along a straight line unless the body is acted upon, in either case, by an unbalanced force. So why does this happen? Only the Vortex Theory can explain it.
Sensationalism does not equal good science. ------------- "....this will be one battle we will regret. Mark my words..." FZ 11/14/2002
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Nebula
Visible Light Wave

USA
549 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2003 : 12:38:28
Looks like a big steaming pile of BS no doubt. The contact information address is in Ft. Lauderdale Florida? I thought they were in Russia or somthing. $34.95!!! For two e-books is ridiculous, this is a major scam. The claiming of all these Nobel Prize discoveries, all physics is completely wrong, this ranks seriously high on the crackpot scale. What a joke!"I have to believe in a world outside my own mind. I have to believe that my actions still have meaning, even if I don't remember them. I have to believe that when my eyes are closed, the world is still there."-Leonard Shelby
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STAii
X-Ray Wave
 
Jordan
1376 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2003 : 13:40:09
What i want to say is that it is really annoying how everybody this days want to invent a theory only to be able to dis-proof Einstein, and then he says that his theory is the thoery of everything (althought he (most of the time) has no mathematical back-up to what he says, or not enough explaination of what he is talking about).BTW, i got that link from an advertising Email, and this is not quite a good way to introduce a physics theory !
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FZ
Gamma Wave
  
United Kingdom
2222 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2003 : 14:26:40
A reasonable (who am I kidding, DIRE) russian to english translation. I guess you need to use your imagination a bit. (Might not work)www.thevortextheory.com%2FRussian-Proof_files%2Frussian_thesis_proof.htm&direction=re&template=General&cp1=NO&cp2=NO&autotranslate=on&transliterate=on&psubmit2.x=30&psubmit2.y=19" target="_blank">http://www.translate.ru/url/tran_url.asp?lang=en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thevortextheory.com%2FRussian-Proof_files%2Frussian_thesis_proof.htm&direction=re&template=General&cp1=NO&cp2=NO&autotranslate=on&transliterate=on&psubmit2.x=30&psubmit2.y=19 Or try: http://www.translate.ru/url/tu_body.asp?lang=en&promt_id=4501293146305808&url=http://www.thevortextheory.com/Russian-Proof_files/russian_thesis_proof.htm ------------- "....this will be one battle we will regret. Mark my words..." FZ 11/14/2002
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Edited by - FZ on 02/21/2003 14:30:33
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thatoneguy
Micro Wave
USA
190 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2003 : 18:19:59
Just out of cuirosity, I looked up the first approving institute they listed, the Moscow State Technical University(MAMI). I wasn't really surprised to find that it's a trade school that teaches people how to design and build cars and tractors. They don't even have a physics department listed on their website. Here it is, in case anybody's curious. http://www.mami.ru/eng/~TOG __________________________ I knew it! Not knew it in the sense that I had the slightest idea, but I knew there was something I didn't know!
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enigma
PF Advisor
 
USA
1016 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2003 : 20:45:58
I got the same email...The site's "peer reviewers" also are not physicists. They are engineers, computer aided manufacturing specialists, etc. enigma "Life is the crummiest book I've ever read. There isn't a hook; just a lot of cheap shots, pictures to shock, and characters an amateur would never dream up." -Bad Religion Stranger than Fiction
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Mike Dulak
Radio Wave
Canada
3 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2003 : 07:36:20
The Theory of Everything has been found!!! I just finished reading both E-Books and i just have one thing to say - I'm a believer. Vortex theory makes Einstein look like a Colonel Sanders! Summing it all UP!! "Using the vision of the universe discovered by the Vortex Theory, it was first demonstrated and then proven that the length shrinkage and time dilation effects created at near light velocities are not the result of the vision of the universe proposed by the Theory of Relativity. Instead, this phenomenon is the result of the changes in the speed, shrinkage, and extension of two vortices of space flowing back and forth between protons and electrons within atoms." My Summary of The Vortes Theory The true Theory of Everything must not only explain the present day mysteries of science but the fundamental principles upon which all science is based. The Vortex Theory explains every mystery in science that has been applied to it. The mathematical PROOF in the Vortex Theory used simple Trignometry. The Russian Physicists expanded the mathematical PROOF to inlcude the Principles of Fluid Mechanics. Thus it was proven 2 differnet ways. The only thing that I hated was printing out almost 300 pages from my printer. I'm a NEW student of and recommend The Vortex Theory to everyone. I suggest everyone wait until the books are out at the bookstores. Printing out the ebooks was a pain!! MikeD Check it Out!! http://www.thevortextheory.com "Every mysterious phenomenon explained by the Theory of Relativity is explained by the Vortex Theory including the phenomenon the Theory of Relativity could not explain: such as Newton's Three laws of motion." RG Moon -- The Vortex Theory
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ahrkron
PF Mentor

USA
648 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2003 : 08:42:21
It amazes me how much time and effort people can put into crackpot theories like this one. If, instead, the author used the same time and energy to learn real physics,...Anyway, this "vortex theory" seems quite primitive craft right from the start. The usual "Nobody realized this before", "all is solved now", "I have proof!!", and no real substance. Also, it is clear that the author has a limited understanding of relativity, and I wouldn't bet on his grasp of QM. A sample from the site:
quote: In knowing how errors are made and propagated from generation to generation, we now understand Mr. Einstein's error. Like everyone else, he was taught to believe in the erroneous concept of time. Since he believed in time, he believed that the cause of the time dilation effects that occur at near light velocities was "time".
This already shows a misconception regarding the way SR (and physics in general) is developed. Somebody should tell this person that no part of physics relies on assuming the "existence" of anything, but on the relations among the outcome of measurements.
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chosenone
Infrared Wave
USA
323 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2003 : 15:10:37
I have'nt heard of the vortex theory,but If Its about einstien being wrong about how he saw time,time is the ability of matter to take on energy by use of its gravity from spacetime and convert it into electromagnetic fields for atoms the function.so if the gravity relates to time this way,the like einstein said gravity slows time down,it's nothing more than the gravitational field of a planet depletion of the energy in the localized area of spacetime around it,for the electromagnetic field its releasing.so the more energy it takes from spacetime the less it has for electromagnism the slower it travels in time because it.and if i'm wrong whats so special about the vortex theory?THE UNIVERSE IS A GRAVEYARD FOR THE EXPANTION OF INFINITY!
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Mike Dulak
Radio Wave
Canada
3 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2003 : 15:31:47
In the world of science, Albert Einstein has achieved superstar status. An icon of his era, he has a following comparable to that of a cult leader. Even amongst those who never studied any science whatsoever, the mere mention of the name Einstein conjures up thoughts of great genus and enormous intellect. If science was a religion [and to some it is],Einstein would be one of it's greatest saints, and his Theory of Relativity would be one of the favorite chapters in its bible.Since scientists who believe in Einstein are responsible for training new scientists, nearly all of the scientists in the world end up thinking alike. Consequently, just about every physicist upon this planet sees a mistake in the Theory of Relativity to be a physical impossibility. Look everyone knows Albert Einstein is GOD we were all taught the same Theory of Relativity in college. But very human being is fallible. Just ask yourself is it possible that Einstein could be wrong. Maybe? This is one problem with relativity no one asks. According to Einstein's vision of the universe matter is made of something, space is made of nothing, and time is relative and exists as a fourth dimension of the universe he called [space-time.] Einstein also proposed that space appeared to be bent around massive objects such as stars, and that bent space is equivalent to the force of gravity! How can [space] made out of nothing be bent? How can Physicists believe in the "bend-ability" of a substance made of nothing at all? The real reason why space appears bent around massive objects is finally explained in The Vortex Theory. 1) The twins paradox 2) The slowdown of clocks 3) The increase in mass when traveling at near light velocities and the unusual orbit of the planet Mercury. There are a total of 35 discoveries made so far which includes the THE EXPLANATION OF ISOTROPIC SPIN the mysterious ½ spin of particles which no scientist can fully explain until now!
I'm totally convinced until proven wrong the proof of any theory is the MATH. If you have any thing to say review the MATHEMATICAL PROOF yourselves. MikeD A NEW student of The Vortex Theory! http://www.thevortextheory.com "Every mysterious phenomenon explained by the Theory of Relativity is explained by the Vortex Theory including the phenomenon the Theory of Relativity could not explain: such as Newton's Three laws of motion." RG Moon -- The Vortex Theory
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njorl
Visible Light Wave

USA
725 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2003 : 18:21:26
Einstein is certainly not perceived as a god to physicists. Every physics undergrad student is taught several of Einstein's errors. That line of argument is empty.Njorl "Deceive everyone under 30!" -- um, Me
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ahrkron
PF Mentor

USA
648 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2003 : 19:59:10
Also, every physics undergrad and grad student is not just taught "the word" of Einstein. This is a common crackpotty misconception.Every academic term, and all around the world, thousands of graduate students are asked to understand and proof many aspects of Relativity, and both they and their professors would be delighted finding a solid argument that contradicted SR. Science education (epsecially at the graduate level) is hugely different from the picture Mike Dulak seems to have. Learning relativity has nothing to do with memory; it is about understandig what can seriously be concluded from experimental evidence. And wrt this "vortex theory" of his... well, I don't think there is any substance to it.
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