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ObsessiveMathsFreak
Infrared Wave
Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
282 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2003 : 15:28:20
what on earth is (x - x')and why is it equal to div( div (1/|x - x'|) ) ? I calculated div( div (1/|x - x'|) ) = 0 what is this function? "May the maths be with you"
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HallsofIvy
Micro Wave
USA
163 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2003 : 17:19:15
The "Dirac delta function" isn't really a function. It's a thing called a "distribution" or "generalized function". The most precise way I know of defining distributions is through Schwarz' theory: a distribution is a "functional" or "function of functions"- that is, something that assigns a number to every function. If F(x) is a function, then we can think of it as a functional by F: g(x)-> (f(x)g(x))dx but, of course, there exist such "distributions" that do not correspond to ordinary functions. The Dirac delta function is the distribution, [delta](x) that to each function f assigns the value f(0). It is sometimes defined as a "function" such that [delta](x)= 0 if x is not 0 and is infinite AT x=0 in such a way that [delta](x)dx= 1 as long as the interval of integration includes 0. Of course, that is not really a function. Another way to look at it (in 1-dimension) is as the limit of functions of the kind di(x)= 0 if |x|>1/i and di(x)= k/2 if |x|<= 1/i. Notice that, for each i, di(x)dx= (k/2)(2k)= 1 but di(x)= 0 outside a very small region. (For two or three dimension, us a disk or sphere) If you take "limit of functions" literally, then the limit function is 0 if x is not 0 and undefined if x is 0. Of course, since the Dirac delta function is NOT a true function, you don't take it literally! One very nice property of distributions is that we can think of distributions as being derivatives of functions that don't have normally have derivatives. The Dirac delta function (again in one dimension) can be thought of as the derivative of a STEP function. If f(x)= 0 for x< 0, f(x)= 1 for x>=0, then its derivative is 0 as long as x is not 0, for x=0 (well, actually the derivative does not exist for x=0- but thinking of it that way gives us the Dirac delta function). A variation of this is to define fi to be 0 for x< -1/i, 1 for x> 1/i, and the straight line connecting (-1/i, 0) and (1/i,1). Each fi has derivative 0 for x<-1/i, i/2 for x between -1/i and 1/i and 0 for x> 1/i. The Dirac delta function is the limit as i-> of those derivatives. Of course, that will be 0 as long as x is not 0 and doesn't exist for x= 0. Now perhaps you see why you got 0 as an answer! To get the Dirac delta function, you have to look closely at what happens at the origin (and think creatively,don't just say it doesn't exist!).
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enigma
PF Advisor
 
USA
1016 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2003 : 20:43:12
Unless I'm mistaken, the delta function is defined as:{ 0 for t > 1/ or t < 0 { for 0 < t < 1/ and taking the limit as 1/ -> 0 It is an idealized, normalized step. One nice thing about it in the class I'm taking now is that it's Laplace transform is 1. enigma "Life is the crummiest book I've ever read. There isn't a hook; just a lot of cheap shots, pictures to shock, and characters an amateur would never dream up." -Bad Religion Stranger than Fiction
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selfadjoint
Infrared Wave
USA
335 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2003 : 22:54:21
One of the main properties of the delta function, that I didn't see in Hallsofivy' excellent presentation is that f(x)delta(x-a)dx = f(a), in other words the delta under the integral sign "picks out" one particular value of the integrand.The number you have dialled is imaginary. Please rotate your telephone 90 degrees and try again.
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Hurkyl
Visible Light Wave

USA
723 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2003 : 23:02:42
Incidentally, I think you meant:grad( div (1/|x-x'|) ) It is confusing that grad and div (and curl!) all involve the same symbol, but there is sense behind it.  Hurkyl
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ObsessiveMathsFreak
Infrared Wave
Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
282 Posts |
Posted - 02/24/2003 : 10:40:35
Yes sorry, grad(div(1/|x - x'|))I would have used the del symol but there isn't one at this site. "May the maths be with you"
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Ben-CS
Radio Wave
USA
46 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2003 : 20:49:24
∇, but I cheated!
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alis
Radio Wave
USA
88 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2003 : 00:53:26
^^^ Hey, who ordered this fourth dimension? ;)Two things you need to be careful of:
- You can't change the argument inside the delta at will, even if the new argument has the same zeros. eg for const a: delta(a*x) = delta(x)/|a|
- In multidimensional spaces, the delta function in non-Cartesian coordinates is defined so that
delta^3(r)dV=1. eg we don't expand out the r^2*sin( ) in spherical coordinates.
--- The good Christian should beware of mathematicians and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and confine man in the bonds of Hell. -St Augustine
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ObsessiveMathsFreak
Infrared Wave
Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
282 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2003 : 11:01:59
How did you get that del symbol∇ [nabla] What?! "May the maths be with you"
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Edited by - ObsessiveMathsFreak on 02/27/2003 11:05:08
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dg
Radio Wave
USA
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Posted - 03/05/2003 : 22:43:14
Let's try to fix it once and for all: it is not div(div(1/|x-x'|)) nor grad(div(1/|x-x'|)) (which are both undefined since div operates on vector fields) but div(grad(1/|x-x'|))=-4 delta(x-x') where div(grad()) is also known as laplacian and written as (nabla)2
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