Some religious folks will say this is foreshadowed in works such as Revelation (and a similar thing happened with Noah and the great flood except a few survivors were permitted). But I have yet to hear a convincing argument from believers as to why god would create a world (indeed a whole universe), allow life to flourish, babies to be born, poems to be written, love to bloom, science to advance and then destroy the entire handiwork.

Science has no problem with an expanding sun and the end of earth but theology should have a massive problem with it. No matter what we do, no matter how close we come to god and serve the deity well, the earth will be destroyed. And that's not a very loving or sensible or far-sighted god whichever complexion the god has.

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Some religious folks will say this is foreshadowed in works such as Revelation (and a similar thing happened with Noah and the great flood except a few survivors were permitted). But I have yet to hear a convincing argument from believers as to why god would create a world (indeed a whole universe), allow life to flourish, babies to be born, poems to be written, love to bloom, science to advance and then destroy the entire handiwork.

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First off, God created the foundation on which humanity is based on. Adam and Eve, as you know, chose to disobey God and where therefore punished. And the rest of humanity. Okay, so, there are really bad people out there, and there are really good people. Good (characterized by their unconditional belief in God ((as in the Bible))) people would be saved, after being judged. Then the bad (the contrary to the characterization of the good used in the bible) would be uhh....put into non-exitence(death, I don't like saying the word).
Then, after the Judgement, then paradise. A new garden of Eden would be created. As said in Revelation, there shall be no more death, no more pain, nothing we distress in. Paradise is what we all want, admit it. At least I do. My life is mostly BORING. 1 routine everyday. So a paradise is just a wonderful refuge to expect.

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God won't destroy the universe with us in it. He'll judge us in heaven, than destroy the universe, then make a new creation for the believers while sending the unbelievers to hell.

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And, at that time, will he then abandon them again for 15, 20,000 years as to make the later generations doubt he even exists, as a means to perpetuate the christians gods cruelty? I'd say that is his only infinite ability.

On this end of the universe note, I noticed a story at new.yahoo.com talking about Newton spending a good portion of his life "decoding the bible" and he actually came up with an exact day of the armageddon. Seems like it said we had 57 years left.

Well, lets all go get saved cause newton supposedly figured that out. Didn't he end up being wrong about several things?

No, God will not abandon anyone. On that matter, I've read that 5,000 years later, Satan will be let out to decieve again, and will, alas be destroyed or something.

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Originally posted by MajinVegeta:
Newton was wrong. I'm sure 'cause the bible says NO ONE knows the day of armagaden.

No, God will not abandon anyone. On that matter, I've read that 5,000 years later, Satan will be let out to decieve again, and will, alas be destroyed or something.

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first proove that bible is right ....

it seems that you say that GOD is evil (or sth like that)...
well that what you think but god won't give any one anything if that one didn't believe in him ...

Newton spent a good part of his time working on it. Perhaps that part of the bible was referring to people of that time. Maybe it was meant to be discovered. Maybe, its just a hidden chapter of more rubbish though.

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SUMMARY:
First off, God created the foundation on which humanity is based on. Adam and Eve, as you know, chose to disobey God and where therefore punished. And the rest of humanity. Okay, so, there are really bad people out there, and there are really good people. Good (characterized by their unconditional belief in God ((as in the Bible))) people would be saved, after being judged. Then the bad (the contrary to the characterization of the good used in the bible) would be uhh....put into non-exitence(death, I don't like saying the word).
Then, after the Judgement, then paradise. A new garden of Eden would be created. As said in Revelation, there shall be no more death, no more pain, nothing we distress in. Paradise is what we all want, admit it. At least I do. My life is mostly BORING. 1 routine everyday. So a paradise is just a wonderful refuge to expect.

www.dbzsc.com/vegeta34.jpg

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It is a major mistake and failing of christianity to assume that I, or anybody else, should want what it has to offer. I should be able to refuse the offer and yet not be punished by hell or anything else. That would be be a tolerant religion.

I do not like the concept of heaven; I find the idea deplorable. I won't admit that I want paradise, I certainly do not want the christian paradise of an endless time at the right hand of god along with a bunch of fundamentalists from south Texas.

What I want is pretty universal: I don't want to die from a long and painful illness; I don't want my children to die before I do; I'd rather not have to become a homeless beggar; I'd like to be able to feed and house myself and my family. My everyday life is far from a routine or a bore. I have visited 65 countries and have lived in seven of them. My family has six languages within it. I find life a very rich and rewarding experience. But when it's time to die, I'll do that happily without having to worry about heaven and hell and other such details.

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Originally posted by MajinVegeta:
Newton was wrong. I'm sure 'cause the bible says NO ONE knows the day of armagaden.

No, God will not abandon anyone. On that matter, I've read that 5,000 years later, Satan will be let out to decieve again, and will, alas be destroyed or something.

www.dbzsc.com/vegeta34.jpg

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first proove that bible is right ....

it seems that you say that GOD is evil (or sth like that)...
well that what you think but god won't give any one anything if that one didn't believe in him ...

the dead man:
"every day you discover how dumb you were the day before..."
forums HERE

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I'm sorry, MSI, but I don't understand where you got the idea that I thought God was cruel. Did you see my other posts on On Behalf of Christians?? Well, as anyone will tell, I do not oppose God.
Can you be more specific in your request? What part of the bible do you want me to prove is correct, to restate your question?

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Originally posted by megashawn:
he probably meant to quote me. I do think he is very cruel.

"Waiting for your modern Mesiah to take away all the hatred that darkens the light in your eyes, still I'm waiting on..." - Disturbed

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An expanding sun which has used all its hydrogen fuel will destroy the earth in about 5 billion years because god is cruel. I'll buy that. I am convinced.

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Originally posted by MajinVegeta:
No, N Quire. The sun's growth because of [your] afformentioned reasons has nothing to do with God. You've ,appaerently, implicitly said that God does exist; but your impression is solely based on an evil accusation.

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If I take your belief in god seriously for a moment, that god poses a number of very difficult questions. It seems that whenever such a difficult question is posed the believer attempts to slip off the hook by letting god off the hook. You now tell me that the all-powerful creator of the universe has nothing to do with the end of the sun's and earth's lives as we know them. So, god started the universe and then let go of control at the point when an apple was eaten in the garden of eden? Have I got that right.

The new NASA findings show that the universe will go on forever. Is that within or without god's influence?

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it seems that you say that GOD is evil (or sth like that)...

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Well, Allah is based on the christian God, so according to your statement doesn that make Allah evil too?

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An expanding sun which has used all its hydrogen fuel will destroy the earth in about 5 billion years because god is cruel. I'll buy that. I am convinced.

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Even if the rapture doesn't happen, in 5 billion years, the human race will have either died or moved to to another solar system

Anyhow, sorry to hijack your thread. Try to bring something relevant.

I personally think that any religion that leads to destruction of humanity and/or the earth is not a good thing to follow. We should be motivated to acheive our dreams, not be held back by fears of the afterlife. I've often wonder if people have the attitude of "God is coming back in a few years, it doesn't really matter if we take care of this planet". I know a few that feel that way.

I mean, if enough research went into renewable energy, there is literally no limits to what mankind can accomplish in the future. Perhaps earth will be left behind at some point. Maybe we'll create city sized space ships to simply travel through the infinite of space. Maybe we can find new worlds to call home, or terraform.

All of the above is pointless though if the world is plunged into another war motivated by the various world destroying religions(and greed of course). There is honestly no telling what kind of casualties could result from a 3rd world war, perhaps the extinction of life on earth. This must be prevented.

I say if we make it another 50 - 100 years, we may actually start accomplishing some excellent things. Technology is still an infant. Think of the changes the world went through during the industrial revolution. Industry and commerce has birthed technology. Soon, i'd say there would be a technological revolution. Maybe, if there is any truth to the bible, this is the second coming your waiting for.

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Putting superstitions about god(s) away, can technology save the Earth from warming up Sun? Any idea of how, say, gradually move Earth to higher orbit?

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Would we not also need away to provided heat/sunlight inorder for our vegetation to continue growing? Wouldn't it get awfully cold moving away from the sun? Would be cool if we could design an artificial atmosphere, mount giant rocket boosters on the earth and start cruising around the universe. Maybe we should try it on the moon first.

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Originally posted by megashawn:
N_Quire, I was taking a stance of if god is the omnipotent being that his worshippers believe, then there really is no reason/excuse that he would allow any suffering to happen. The simple fact that a being with infinite ability could not fix the problems we have on earth and make this a good place should really show people how irrational belief in this god is. Unfortunatly, years of brainwashing, and possibly utter confusion from the bible has trapped people. Probably a few more generations go by, the christian god will be a fading memory.
, still I'm waiting on..." - Disturbed

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It does seem odd to me that god would create a world that requires of us that we attach super rockets to earth so that we can blast ouselves into a different orbit in 5 billion years in order to avoid being wiped out.

However, considering that most of us live less than 100 years, 5 billion years is almost an infinity away. Who knows whether we will even exist as a species by then. Perhaps we will have evolved into something else and beings in the far future will look back on us as intelligent cousins of apes that were not quite able/cunning/sophisticated enough to survive as the species homo sapiens.

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Originally posted by MajinVegeta:
Newton was wrong. I'm sure 'cause the bible says NO ONE knows the day of armagaden.

No, God will not abandon anyone. On that matter, I've read that 5,000 years later, Satan will be let out to decieve again, and will, alas be destroyed or something.

www.dbzsc.com/vegeta34.jpg

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first proove that bible is right ....

it seems that you say that GOD is evil (or sth like that)...
well that what you think but god won't give any one anything if that one didn't believe in him ...

the dead man:
"every day you discover how dumb you were the day before..."
forums HERE

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I'm sorry, MSI, but I don't understand where you got the idea that I thought God was cruel. Did you see my other posts on On Behalf of Christians?? Well, as anyone will tell, I do not oppose God.
Can you be more specific in your request? What part of the bible do you want me to prove is correct, to restate your question?

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i am sorry if i were mean in what i have written ...

but you put my idea : " what part of the bible you want to me to prove is correct "

if there is just a small part that is wrong in the bible then the whole bible is wrong ( i don't mean the whol is wrong but i mean that we can't believe in it because we want something perfect )

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It does seem odd to me that god would create a world that requires of us that we attach super rockets to earth so that we can blast ouselves into a different orbit in 5 billion years in order to avoid being wiped out.

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Where did you get the idea that God created the world for that reason?
He created the world to be populated, perfect. But A&E made a choice that God didn't want them to make(they would suffer from pain, death etc.) and so the world is the way it is for this reason. Your reasons have nothing to do with God's reasons of creation.

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if there is just a small part that is wrong in the bible then the whole bible is wrong ( i don't mean the whol is wrong but i mean that we can't believe in it because we want something perfect )

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There is no evidence to substantiate that.....I have evidence. King James had actually altered one part of the bible. Even then, that doesn't mean that the WHOLE bible is wrong. Please substantiate your statement.