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Baikonur
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Posted - 02/26/2003 :  06:56:46  Show Profile Send a private Message
If time is, as it has been said, increasing entropy, wouldn't 0 K stop time, 'couse the particles wouldn't be moving (right?) and therefore not increasing entropy?

I just don't get it...

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loop quantum gravity
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Israel
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Posted - 02/26/2003 :  13:17:02  Show Profile  Send a private Message  Visit loop quantum gravity's Homepage
but practically you can't get to 0 kelvin (you can get an approximation).

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nowonmai
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Posted - 03/05/2003 :  12:53:58  Show Profile  Send a private Message  Send nowonmai an ICQ Message
0 kelvin is just an interpolation from observed effects of decreasing temperature.. it can't actually be achieved



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Phobos
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Posted - 03/07/2003 :  17:53:25  Show Profile  Send a private Message
the cosmic background radiation temperature is at about 2.3 K....good luck escaping that heat source (or sink, for those of us on the cozier side of that scale)

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Phobos
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Posted - 03/07/2003 :  17:56:46  Show Profile  Send a private Message
oh, and the second law of thermodynamics (entropy) does not state that entropy must always increase....it says that for an isolated (closed) system, entropy must increase or stay the same (i.e., it can't decrease)

So, zero change in entropy for a given situation is ok.

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cragwolf
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Posted - 03/08/2003 :  05:44:05  Show Profile  Send a private Message  Visit cragwolf's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by Phobos:
the cosmic background radiation temperature is at about 2.3 K....good luck escaping that heat source (or sink, for those of us on the cozier side of that scale)

In some types of proto-planetary nebulae you can escape that heat source, and find temperatures as low as 1K (possibly even lower like 0.5K) occurring.



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