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Turtle
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USA
45 Posts |
 Posted - 02/26/2003 : 22:39:43
North Korea has weapons of mass destruction, so why is it that Bush does not want them to disarm. North Korea said it nuclear weapons can reach the US. Also, it is known that NK has chemical weapons.Turtle
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njorl
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USA
725 Posts |
 Posted - 02/26/2003 : 22:50:38
Bush does want them to disarm. He has really gone about it poorly though. Linking them with Iraq (and Iran) was a terrible idea. The N Korean situation is much more dangerous, and hopefully, he will proceed more effectively and tactfully. There is really no way anything of substance can be done by the US until the Iraqi situation is resolved one way or another. This is actually one reason why N. Korea is demanding one-on-one negotiations with the US now. They realize that the US will be at its weakest in negotiations while the Iraq situation is at its tensest. Other nations want the US to negotiate with N Korea one-on-one, because the only result of N Korean negotiations is the determination of the bribe N. Korea gets for not starting a war. Whoever does the negotiating gets stuck with the bribe.Njorl "Deceive everyone under 30!" -- um, Me
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MSI
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Israel
646 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2003 : 23:54:42
quote:
Originally posted by Turtle:
North Korea has weapons of mass destruction, so why is it that Bush does not want them to disarm. North Korea said it nuclear weapons can reach the US. Also, it is known that NK has chemical weapons.Turtle
the reason of the war on IRAQ is mass distruction weapon .... that is silly and you mentiond an example of countries like IRAQ but no war against them so what do you think the reasons of war on IRAQ? why US want the war against IRAQ?
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Turtle
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USA
45 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2003 : 00:36:43
There are many reasons that Bush wants war with Iraq. One is disarming Iraq(maybe). Another reason for Bush is revenge because Hussien hired someone to try to kill his father.If you think Hussien is mad
with the weapons that he has
and he tried to kill your dad
Bomb Iraq Turtle
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Alias
Micro Wave
USA
166 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2003 : 03:55:27
NK will be dealt with all in good time. It is also important to note that different cultural mindsets negotiate in different ways, and the response to NK must reflect this. As they attempt to blackmail us into negotiation, it is important that we show strength and not give in. NK needs to know that they are not dealing with the Clinton administration. A show of weakness will only provoke them. I know this sounds funny, and most of you will probably reject this as untrue, but they reacted to the axis-of-evil speech just exactly how the Bush administration expected them to.You don't call someone an {expletive deleted} to his face unless you know exactly how he is going to react.
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Edited by - Zero on 02/27/2003 09:00:29
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Zero
PF Mentor
USA
5996 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2003 : 09:03:07
quote:
Originally posted by Alias:
I know this sounds funny, and most of you will probably reject this as untrue, but they reacted to the axis-of-evil speech just exactly how the Bush administration expected them to.
Or, it could just be an example of this administrations general ham-handedness when it comes to foreign policy. You mean to tell me that Bush INTENTIONALLY sabotaged talks, and put Americans at risk, in order to advance his personal agenda? ******************************
A truly open mind has to be open to the possibility that a radical idea, however exciting, may prove to be a load of codswallop!
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Alias
Micro Wave
USA
166 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2003 : 14:34:25
quote:
Originally posted by Zero:
quote:
Originally posted by Alias:
I know this sounds funny, and most of you will probably reject this as untrue, but they reacted to the axis-of-evil speech just exactly how the Bush administration expected them to.
Or, it could just be an example of this administrations general ham-handedness when it comes to foreign policy. You mean to tell me that Bush INTENTIONALLY sabotaged talks, and put Americans at risk, in order to advance his personal agenda?
The reason it seems to some that NK is on the verge of freaking out is because their usual rhetoric is being magnified by the loud vocalizations of the anti-Bush crowd. Kim knows this and is using it to his advantage. If you want to reduce the risk, tell everyone you know to shut up, and quit shreiking, "What about North Korea, what about North Korea!" And let me remind you that it was the Clinton administration and many in the international community who trusted the untrustworthy and "put Americans at risk". Americans are at risk only because NK violated the 1994 agreement and Kim feels bolstered by the anti-Bush crowd.
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njorl
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USA
725 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2003 : 16:00:11
Alias,
You do not understand US policy towards N Korea. They are collapsing economically, but still have a dangerous milatary and nuclear weapons. The US policy is to let them crash without burning. While it would be easy to let their economy crumble into dust, if it happens while their milatary is strong they will start a war. Our objective is to manipulate aid to NK such that their economy will squeak by, and slowly leech away their milatary strength. The problem is, the N Koreans know this is what we're doing.The Clinton administration made the 1994 agreement knowing the N Koreans were not trustworthy. It was still worth it. The secret uranium purification program was much less effective than the spent-rod enrichment program they could have used. Without the agreement, they could easily have 50-100 nuclear weapons by now. Njorl "Deceive everyone under 30!" -- um, Me
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Zero
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USA
5996 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2003 : 19:29:58
quote:
Originally posted by Alias:
quote:
Originally posted by Zero:
quote:
Originally posted by Alias:
I know this sounds funny, and most of you will probably reject this as untrue, but they reacted to the axis-of-evil speech just exactly how the Bush administration expected them to.
Or, it could just be an example of this administrations general ham-handedness when it comes to foreign policy. You mean to tell me that Bush INTENTIONALLY sabotaged talks, and put Americans at risk, in order to advance his personal agenda?
The reason it seems to some that NK is on the verge of freaking out is because their usual rhetoric is being magnified by the loud vocalizations of the anti-Bush crowd. Kim knows this and is using it to his advantage. If you want to reduce the risk, tell everyone you know to shut up, and quit shreiking, "What about North Korea, what about North Korea!" And let me remind you that it was the Clinton administration and many in the international community who trusted the untrustworthy and "put Americans at risk". Americans are at risk only because NK violated the 1994 agreement and Kim feels bolstered by the anti-Bush crowd.
Oh, so the fact that Bush threatened them has nothing to do with the upswing in their military? Please... ******************************
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njorl
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USA
725 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2003 : 19:58:25
Any implied threat by George Bush is known to be hollow by the N Koreans. They know we will not try the same methods to disarm them that we are trying in Iraq. They are using the threat as a public relations maneuver. It allows nations that want to stick it to the US to feign sympathy for N Korea when they would otherwise be reviled, justly, for doing so. The axis of evil speech was a real shot in the foot for US diplomacy. Any nation that wants to make our lives difficult can point to Iraq and the "Axis of Evil" speech as justification for virtually any actions by Iran and N Korea.I believe the speech was supposed to be a warning to Iran and N Korea. For Iran, it had a chance at working, but didn't. For N Korea, it was a tragic joke. Njorl "Deceive everyone under 30!" -- um, Me
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Alias
Micro Wave
USA
166 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2003 : 20:02:42
North Korea is just posturing so they will look strong. Kim is pissing in his pants. He knows he's no match for us.
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LURCH_001
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USA
588 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2003 : 22:06:07
quote:
Originally posted by Turtle:
North Korea has weapons of mass destruction, so why is it that Bush does not want them to disarm. North Korea said it nuclear weapons can reach the US. Also, it is known that NK has chemical weapons.Turtle
Possibly because North Korea is not run by an uncaring, glory-seeking, mass murderer who has already used wmd in the past? Why do they call it a FIXED income, when I'm always BROKE ?!
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FZ
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United Kingdom
2222 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2003 : 00:01:12
Like George Bush? Tony Blair? Churchill?-------------
"....this will be one battle we will regret. Mark my words..."
FZ 11/14/2002
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LURCH_001
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USA
588 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2003 : 00:24:04
Each of them has used weapons of mass destruction in the past? Man, I gotta brush up on my history!Why do they call it a FIXED income, when I'm always BROKE ?!
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FZ
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United Kingdom
2222 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2003 : 00:39:56
Churchill: ordered the use of chemical weapons on iraqi civilians to prevent an uprising against british rule.
Bush: Used "daisy cutters" widely during Afghanistan conflict, as well as DU arms and cluster bombs. US army only user of napalm, a chemical weapon. Developing non-lethal chemical gas weapons to debillitate political uprisings and nuclear bunker busters.
Blair: See Bush.-------------
"....this will be one battle we will regret. Mark my words..."
FZ 11/14/2002
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LURCH_001
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USA
588 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2003 : 00:48:28
So, obviously, neither Bush nor Blair has used weapons of mass distraction in the past. Nor is it reasonable to think that they will do so in the future, until and unless such weapons are first used and by an enemy. And realistically, neither will North Korea.Saddam has gassed whole villages; women and children & infants. He will do it again. Unless someone prevents him. Why do they call it a FIXED income, when I'm always BROKE ?!
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Audacity Dan
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USA
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Posted - 03/04/2003 : 01:38:57
quote:
Originally posted by Alias:
I know this sounds funny, and most of you will probably reject this as untrue, but they reacted to the axis-of-evil speech just exactly how the Bush administration expected them to.
Really? It seems that one of the speechwriters may have been fired for that... http://loper.org/~george/archives/2002/Mar/87.html
Isn't it true that bush hasn't used that phrase in over a year, maybe 2? Maybe he realized what a monumental mistake that was? quote:
You don't call someone an {expletive deleted} to his face unless you know exactly how he is going to react.
Actually, most people who do do that don't think about what the other person is going to react, and i don't think that bush is any different in this case. It's not too smart, but that's people for ya. -----------------------------------------------------
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