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dr_strangelove
Radio Wave
USA
32 Posts |
 Posted - 10/10/2002 : 01:06:52
I have recently developed a theory that predicts anti gravity. It is NOT based on general relativity.
I searched the net and found that Boing is appearently doing research in anti gravity.
I would appreciate any information that anyone can share.
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Edited by - Integral on 10/10/2002 01:24:44
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Integral
PF Mentor
USA
2665 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2002 : 01:27:18
Yawn, If you had really done any research on what Boeing is doing you might have spelled it correctly.
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schwartzchildradius999
X-Ray Wave
USA
1857 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2002 : 10:47:48
There's this anti-gravity device, that comes to our town every year. Gypsies own it and it tours the state with them. But once a year the whole town has the chance to come out and see it. It really works - when you get inside and strap yourself in, it sets up a gravitational field around you. Now it doesn't cancel earth's gravitational field at first, it just creates a new one and the friction between you and the machine hold you up in the air! Then it contorts so that the gravitational field produced by the machine is directly opposite of earth's gravitational field, and you're literally pinned against the ceiling!
This marvelous thing has an apropriate name - the Gravitron!
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screwball
Radio Wave
USA
15 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2002 : 03:13:51
well that was a polite and warm welcome the the pf for drstranglove. dr.sl boeing denied all involvement in antigravity research, but if anything they were just trying to reproduce Podkletnov's work.
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CJames
Visible Light Wave
USA
659 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2002 : 04:37:39
Uh, welcome to the forums!Don't be too sure of yourself, but please, show us your theory. We will undoubtedly tell you you're wrong, and exactly why. But that's just another screwed-up theory debunked. Makes me happy. Maybe we'll even "convert" you too. "From the start to the end no matter what I pretend the journey is more important than the end or the start, and what it meant to me will eventually be a memory of the time that I tried so hard."--Mike Shinoda, Linkin Park
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schwartzchildradius999
X-Ray Wave
USA
1857 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2002 : 10:08:26
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dr.sl boeing denied all involvement in antigravity research, but if anything they were just trying to reproduce Podkletnov's work.
What?!!! Beoing did not invent the Gravitron?!! Surely some gypsy carnies stole the patent and are operating 'rogue gravitrons' without their consent!
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dr_strangelove
Radio Wave
USA
32 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2002 : 21:34:00
I'd be happy to share my theory, but only to people who are educated enough to give an honest opinion.It requires a knowledge of special relativity and the Dirac formulization of relativistic quantum mechanics. If any of you are qualified please let me know. I have already had it reviewed by two Phd's who can't find any flaws in my logic or my math. I am very confident that i have found a new and much simpler and cleaner theory of gravity than general relativity. It unifies gravity with relativistic quantum mechanics.
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David
PF Advisor
USA
720 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2002 : 00:11:45
There are a number of professional physicists who inhabit this forum so point us to your preprint and we'll give you our opinions...David
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dr_strangelove
Radio Wave
USA
32 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2002 : 01:08:59
How does one protect a theory from theft?
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David
PF Advisor
USA
720 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2002 : 02:13:20
If theft is your main concern then science is not for you - it is about the free sharing of ideas while receiving nothing more than the credit for having the ideas. This forum is not going to be much use to you. Nobody will be able to give you any validation of your ideas without hearing what the ideas are and they are likely to be extremely skeptical. People come into these forums every week claiming some wonderful theory and want people to tell them that they are wonderful scientists but without them actually revealing their idedas. These people are usually given a very hard time (rightfully so).If you want to try and make money on something, then build a working device and patent it... and don't show it to anybody in the meantime... I am assuming you have already had the two people you showed this to sign confidentiality/non-disclosure agreements so that you haven't already jeopardise any patent application... There are few other options, certainly no other respectable (legal, honest) ones. I would suggest that if you have a theory that predicts antigravity then your theory is wrong. If you think it has a scientific foundation but you are so unaware of the scientific process and community that you don't know how to present and protect your ideas, I would suggest that you haven't yet learned enough about the science relevant to your claims. You must be aware that your claim goes against all theoretical and experimental evidence so it is incredibly unlikely that it is correct. However, you may gain some benefit by working out where your claim is flawed.
David
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dr_strangelove
Radio Wave
USA
32 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2002 : 02:35:18
You made your point. It is most often the exploiter of an idea who makes money and the inventor who is lucky to even be remembered.How many people for example can name the guy who wrote the first version of DOS? Bill Gates paid him only a small fee and he wasn't even given royalities. If scientist believe they are born to be stepped on then I agree, I am not a scientist. I think the world would be better served if scientist got smart about business. More intelegent people might get into science if there were adequate rewards. Many scientific theories have been rejected by main stream science for years because of this lack of incentive. As to the evidence of anti gravity there may very well some. It may account for the matter (entire galaxies) that are moving away at extreme speeds at the far reaches of the universe. Let's face it, if something became anti in gravity it wouldn't stick around. It would be long gone with just an incredible red shift in it's radiation. But forget anti-gravity. When Dirac proposed the anti-electron it didn't take away from the success of his relativistic quantum theory. I can come up with the exact form of Newtons Law of gravity ( for low energy objects) and a more complex formula in general.
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thatoneguy
Micro Wave
USA
190 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2002 : 18:48:51
Then I suppose the ultimate question is... If you don't want to share your theory, why are you here?quote:
Many scientific theories have been rejected by main stream science for years because of this lack of incentive.
Theories are not rejected from mainstream science because of lack of monetary incentive, they are rejected because of lack of validity. Science is not a conspiracy. If you have a theory that really works better than general relativity, it will be accepted. That is how science works. Besides, what are you planning to do? Copyright the theory? You can't collect royalties from the universe because you can explain how part of it works. ~TOG
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FZ
Gamma Wave
United Kingdom
2222 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2002 : 18:54:13
But you see, the 'being stepped on', as you so succintly call it, is the essence of science. And about theft - ever heard of trust? The point about the scientific establishment is a group of peers who cooperate to acheive the goal of expanding knowledge. There can be no progress without it. It you have read the other posts in the forums, you can see the sheer amount of garbage theory in here. The ability of science to cross check, peer review, is the reason that science is so important and successful. It is how we filter out the good from the bad. It is how we encourage innovation and ultimately progress. The rejection by mainstream science is not a stumbling block to progress, but a good thing. It is as integral to science as natural selection is to evolution. You forget that science is not a business. It is not about monetary rewards. It is about making a difference, contributing to the sum of human knowledge, the creative generation of ideas coupled with skeptical thinking to develop them.
To remove the skepticism, the open free flow of ideas would be the WORST POSSIBLE THING you can inflict on science. To an extent, even the patents system is a stifling on scientific progress, restricting the deleopment of ideas to particular groups. But that only applies to applied science and technology, and has a degree of flexibility. But if that were applied to the whole of science... Imagine if Einstein patented his theory of evolution. The whole face of modern physics would be reduced to a black box where you put in answers and get solutions. You will never be able to check them. What sort of hell would this alternate universe be?
A real scientist is never in it just for the cash or the fame, but the ability to make a difference, accomplish something in their lives, help people, for the challenge etc. Perhaps it is a good thing these who wish to exploit scientific evidence for personal gain are discouraged from science. We certainly do not need another Teller, or more babbling pseudoscientists claiming things without proof. I am sorry if it makes science somewhat esoteric, but that's the only way it works. If you want to get rich quick, give science a pass. If so, you don't belong here.-------------
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dr_strangelove
Radio Wave
USA
32 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2002 : 20:39:10
Thank You! Thank You! Thank You!All of your criticisms have been very helpful to me. In an attempt to find evidence for anti-gravity I discovered that my theory explains Hubble’s equation. In fact it is an obvious consequence of it. I don’t need anti-gravity but I am still convinced that it exists. In short, I have the icing for the cake. I will be publishing soon. After I send it in for publication I will post it online and let you guys know. Thanks again.
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dr_strangelove
Radio Wave
USA
32 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2002 : 20:43:51
P.S.I will be filing a provisional patent on anti-gravity devices. I will be needed a team of good physicist and engineers. Let me know of you are interested.
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zk4586
Infrared Wave
USA
288 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2002 : 00:40:26
hmm. Color me skeptical."Man appoints, and God disappoints."
Miguel de Cervantes
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ObsessiveMathsFreak
Infrared Wave
Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
282 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2002 : 13:52:14
Hey I actually read about this on cnn.Apparently, as so often happens, these russian scientists were working on something completly unrelated when they came across, what appeared to be, an anti-gravity or perhaps a gravity shielding effect. As I recall it had something to do with high spped rotating magnets....
or something. And the word on cnn was that boeing WERE actually checking this out. I would. Anyhow you shouldn't knock someone so quickly. If there is really anti gravity caused by, say , "bubbles" in space time, you'll all look pretty foolish. Hedge your bets. "All Science is Physics or stamp collecting" - Rutherford , I think
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zk4586
Infrared Wave
USA
288 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2002 : 23:04:53
I read about it too. Boeing actually denied that they were pursuing any research in antigravity."Man appoints, and God disappoints."
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dr_strangelove
Radio Wave
USA
32 Posts |
Posted - 10/25/2002 : 22:16:19
If anyone wants to review my theory email me at daveb@triton.net. Please include your name and expertise. I'd love to get some feedback.
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Integral
PF Mentor
USA
2665 Posts |
Posted - 10/25/2002 : 23:26:03
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I think the world would be better served if scientist got smart about business. More intelegent people might get into science if there were adequate rewards.
Would this be the same caliber of people who inhabit the legal and medical professions? Thanks, I'll pass, I'de rather have people who are driven by love of the science then love of the dollar. I, personally think we have better docters and lawyers if 75% of the finical rewards disappeared.
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dr_strangelove
Radio Wave
USA
32 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2002 : 00:46:16
Do you think I could possibly have developed this theory and worked at the same time?I'm broke for god sake.
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