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carl
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Posted - 10/22/2002 :  20:52:09  Show Profile Send a private Message  Visit carl's Homepage
Here's what one of my favorite authors, Stuart Wilde (www.stuartwilde.com) says about UFOs... please let me know if any of you see some possible reality in this theory... according to the realm of physics or other realms.

Here is the quote:

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"The Answer to the UFO Quiz question: " What is the highest a UFO has actually flown around the earth is, 6 to seven feet! The height of a human….

WHY? Because we live in a dimension that is a sphere. It’s like the old computer game PING PONG, when the cursor went out off the screen top right, it came back into view bottom left. That is because your TV screen is in effect part of a sphere and any straight line on a sphere comes back round on the opposite tangent.

The UFOs are demonic, morphic entities, even when they appear solid or semi-solid. If you see one flying high in the sky to your right, it is actually below you to your left, around your knees. And high left, is bottom right and so on. You are looking at a visual projection on the opposite tangent.

The sky is in effect your etheric and the UFO is flying inside your energy. That’s why they seem to know what you are thinking at times. They are inside you, or let us say more accurately, they are flying in your etheric, inches from your body

If, on seeing a UFO high-right you flick your hand hard, bottom-left and if you get lucky, you’ll hit the UFO and you’ll see it degraded. It will morph up and down like crazy, wobbling like a shaky Jell-O, and it falls to a lower energy state, then it morphs again and it finally falls to an almost zero energy state. It’s effectively destroyed.

Bye for now, more later stuie wilde"


Thank you!

Archaeologists get very dirty.


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DarkLink
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Posted - 10/25/2002 :  02:59:03  Show Profile  Send a private Message
Ok, I couldn't really read past the pong part. That made no sense what so ever, it is programmed to do that. Most amateur pong games I've seen keep the ball going on the Y axis for a while. I'm sure that's not the point I will read it again soon when my head is clear and put my response on the rest.

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Hypatia
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Posted - 10/25/2002 :  04:27:47  Show Profile  Send a private Message
Well that would explain the strange bruses I get on my shins from time to time.

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DarkLink
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Posted - 10/25/2002 :  04:56:09  Show Profile  Send a private Message
I read it all and it is still crazy.

"There is not enough love and kindness in the world to permit us to give any of it away to imaginary beings."-Nietzsche
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carl
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Posted - 10/25/2002 :  22:21:24  Show Profile  Send a private Message  Visit carl's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by DarkLink:
I read it all and it is still crazy.

I have to agree that it is hard to make sense of this way of describing UFOs.

A bit of back ground is that Wilde subscribes to Einstein's theory that all matter and everything else we observe here is ENERGY in an observable form... or in the least, energy as it appears in the 3rd dimension.

I think what Stuie is getting at is that, with the existance of many many dimensions, there remains a large variety of options for beings other than ourselves to get here... or to appear to be here.

A complete understanding of the word "Etheric" would help and I'll look for that... although, I believe it was first coined by Socrates or Aristotle to mean the ectoplasmic, electromagnetic feild that all things are either made of or reside within.

Happy friday... Hypatia, watch for low flying UFOs!


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FZ
Gamma Wave


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Posted - 10/25/2002 :  23:13:47  Show Profile  Send a private Message
The ether was a theory popular before Einstein where scientists postulated an everpresent ether to carry Em waves. However, this theory has now fallen out of favour after the object failure of the Michelson-Morley experiment to preform as predicted by the theory, and the appearance of relativity which renders the theory completely unneccessary.
Since then, physicists have generally disavowed the existence of the ether, as something contrary to all present experimental evidence and against other more successful theories. But of course, there are still some fanatical adherents, partically among anti-relativity radicals, who affirm that since the theory was never conclusively disproven, it must be correct. But they are in the severe minority, and are dwindling from lack of supporting proof.

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njorl
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Posted - 10/26/2002 :  05:39:20  Show Profile  Send a private Message
I used to laugh at all the alien abduction reports. They always seemed to grab some loner with a bad reputation and do ridiculous things to him Then I thought about what we would do. Say we're orbiting some alien world, monitoring their broadcasts to learn about their culture. Well, it wouldn't be enough now would it. We'd want a "specimen" to do some tests on. We wouldn't want to take anyone who would be missed, or anyone who would be believed. Well, who better than some isolated yokel with a flaky reputation! Throw in some wierd behavior like anal probing and nothing he says will be believed.

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Siv
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Posted - 10/28/2002 :  07:11:35  Show Profile  Send a private Message
quote:
Originally posted by njorl:
I used to laugh at all the alien abduction reports. They always seemed to grab some loner with a bad reputation and do ridiculous things to him Then I thought about what we would do. Say we're orbiting some alien world, monitoring their broadcasts to learn about their culture. Well, it wouldn't be enough now would it. We'd want a "specimen" to do some tests on. We wouldn't want to take anyone who would be missed, or anyone who would be believed. Well, who better than some isolated yokel with a flaky reputation! Throw in some wierd behavior like anal probing and nothing he says will be believed.

Take an analogy ... when Columbus discovered America. Did he catch some specimens, got them back home and did anal probing on them ?!!!

The first thing any alien civilization, if they ever got it into their heads to travel half way around the universe and encounter one megalomaniac species on one planet, would want to do is to make contact. To communicate with us.
And incidentally, if they're that advanced ... our TV and radio broadcasts would be more than enough to piece together information about us.

- Sivakami.

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Carla
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Posted - 10/28/2002 :  09:43:26  Show Profile  Send a private Message

Makes perfect sense to me that aliens use anal probes.

The best place to begin in determining how we came to be so full of....


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carl
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Posted - 10/28/2002 :  17:12:35  Show Profile  Send a private Message  Visit carl's Homepage
Actually, as nice as it is to entertain everyone's opinions about anal probing and abductions... I'd rather see some more exploration into the theories that fz has brought up about the ether and relativity. These are what have spurred Wilde on to suggest that UFOs are entering our personal space.... or our personal solar system... via our inner or semi-inner ether... and this is how they appear on our "radar screen" as being in our true physical space.

fz... some work has been done exploring the ether in a different mode. I forget the researcher's name (Shepard?) but, they are looking at amputees who have experienced "phantom limbs" where they used to have actual appendages. The study showed amazing things like tactile experiences without the limb being there. And there is an electromagnetic field where the limb was. I realize the brain often compensates for loss by accomodating the memory of limbs, neuronal pathways and such... but the tests done on amputee subjects were rigorous and carried out using the scientific method. They showed that, after the biological unit of a limb is gone, there remains a phantom limb with most of the characteristics of a real one.

This is a possible exhibition of the ether

So is the idea of Quantum Holographs... have you or anyone heard of these?

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FZ
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/28/2002 :  21:23:20  Show Profile  Send a private Message
I doubt the quality of the study.
the phantom limbs syndrome has been very well documented and long shown to be a purely psychological problem. It is no evidence whatsoever for the existence of a quasispiritual ether, much less a physical theory of one. Rather, the phenomenon has given doctors an interesting insight into how the brain works. the condition can be easily cured by conducting therapy with a certain specific method that I've just forgotten. It is cause by when the part of the brain involved with controlling the limb is unable to adapt to inactivity and invades the other brain sectors, generating false impulse of pain etc. After a while, the nerve tissue changes to fulfil other roles.
Even if the study is true, that's no evidence of ether. More like psychokinesis.
A random trawl of google delivers:
http://www.macalester.edu/~psych/whathap/UBNRP/Phantom/Homepage.html
http://hcs.harvard.edu/~husn/BRAIN/vol6/p21-25-PhantomLimbs.pdf
http://www.4learning.co.uk/netnotes/dsp_series.cfm?programid=1538
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A491735

etc etc


Quantum Holography:
http://www.aip.org/enews/physnews/1999/split/pnu412-2.htm
http://www.globaltechnoscan.com/28thNov-4thDec01/quantum_holography.htm
No mention of ethers here. But it depend on your definition of ether. With quantum mechanics, a new definition of ether has come about as the zeropoint field which is filled with virtual particles. Ie, the vacume filled with everything. But this has little relation to the classical em carrying medium.

In fact some work is being done by certain people on using ether to unify Relativity and Quantum theory. Having not studied the field in depth and not seeing any proof of ether's existence, I would wish them good luck but doubt they're heading in the right direction...

Either way, but in the modern and classical sense, our learned colleague Stuie does not know what the hell he is talking about. Once more, an interesting-ish field of theoretical science falls to the insinuations of ignorant fools. Demonic entities my ****.

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carl
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Posted - 10/28/2002 :  23:18:41  Show Profile  Send a private Message  Visit carl's Homepage
Yes, Demonic... well, the guy is an author... and quite sucessful at that. As a writer he's descriptive and often... at the pub... but... so was Einstein. (I forget the physicist's name that came up with the most profound theory about bubbles and bouancy or something... by watching his beer form bubbles.)

This is fascinating about Quatum Holography and I intend to look into these links you've provided. I heard about it from one of the last men to make it to the moon... he has since attributed many of his sensations on the way back to Quantum Holographs.... he attributes the manifestation of ESP and paraKinetic activity to this theory.

I believe the unification theory has begun to swing toward Quantum Gravity... is that so... if so... this could be what everyone was thinking about in terms of the classic ether.. or em as you say.

Thanks again

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Hypatia
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USA
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Posted - 10/29/2002 :  13:17:19  Show Profile  Send a private Message
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Did he catch some specimens, got them back home and did anal probing on them ?!!!

Yes they did..they gave them to what was then there "royal medical examiners" for dissection. There digestive tracts were most likely explored. Then as now, its one of the first things we look at to understand a species. What they eat and how they digest it.

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njorl
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Posted - 10/29/2002 :  15:22:58  Show Profile  Send a private Message
Considering that there were 3 boatloads full of sailors there, I wouldn't be suprised if a fair amount of anal probing happened as well.


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carl
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Posted - 10/29/2002 :  18:06:46  Show Profile  Send a private Message  Visit carl's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by njorl:
Considering that there were 3 boatloads full of sailors there, I wouldn't be suprised if a fair amount of anal probing happened as well.

I'm sure it takes a lot of experience to not be surprised about these sorts of events on a boatload of sailors.

fz, here is an interview with the research technician, Rupert Sheldrake, who studied what he calls the 'morphic fields' of missing limbs. His research was conducted mainly with amputees.

http://www.stuartwilde.com/SW_learn_sheldrake.htm

Quantum Gravity explains many things that the original Unification theorists had trouble coming up with. All things have a gravitational signature... even thoughts. This sort of signature would provide targets for extradimensionals no matter where they hailed from or what dimension that was.

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FZ
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Posted - 10/29/2002 :  19:42:35  Show Profile  Send a private Message
A: Rupert Sheldrake is a cell biologist. From the source you gave, he has not the foggiest idea what ether is supposed to be, not the vaguest knowledge of anything approaching physics and simply tosses neat phrases like morphics fields around for fun. (much like S Wild, in fact. Richard Dawkins wrote a very interesting chapter on this sort of behaviour in "unweaving the rainbow").
But let the source do the talking...
http://www.salon.com/people/feature/1999/11/23/sheldrake/
Still, carl, despite the obvious fact you are wasting everyone's time, it is kinda fun you bringing up all these psycho's for us to laugh at. I await you next entry with glee. (and search engine at the ready...)

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If Sheldrake sounds like a crackpot, he is. But delightfully so.


ahh yes, Mr Wilde is being considered for an entry in the Skeptic's Dictionary all to him self. I almost envy him.
Also, it never ceases to amaze me how much the UFO theoriests underestimate alien technology. Surely if they are capable of FTL systems, they can think of far less intrusive and efficient ways of finding out about humans (a small sample of DNA would not arouse suspicision and allow the aliens to clone millions of samples for investigation), and would be far more effective at hiding their ships (if they are trying to hide) or revealing themselves (if they wanted to communicate). And how many times do they have to anally probe anyone before they realised A: its smelly, B: its full of germs, C: human diets aren't that interesting anyway and D: fries and burgers aren't exactly a good representation of our intelligence. To paraphrase Einstein, two things now appear to be infinite - the stupidity of man and the uncreativity of aliens.

If you're making up accounts of alien abduction, can't you be at least more imaginative?

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carl
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Posted - 10/31/2002 :  18:38:07  Show Profile  Send a private Message  Visit carl's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by FZ:
Still, carl, despite the obvious fact you are wasting everyone's time,


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I don't know if any of you are familiar with the Foo Fighters (not the band) developed by the NAZIs during the start of that regime in Germany, back around 1930. The result of the development was a saucer shaped flying vehicle that hovered in some film footage that has survived since that time. Since that film, there have been no further evidences of how much further those vehicles were developed.

I don't have time to find a quality site that discribes these machines in depth but, here is a site I found during a quick search:

http://www.gpgwebdesign.com.au/germans.htm

My guess is that there are physical UFOs doing the airwaves these days and that there are extradimensional ones as well. Whether they are "demonic" or just "playing" remains to be seen. Not that I want to find out, first hand!

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Morello
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Canada
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Posted - 02/04/2003 :  05:08:09  Show Profile  Send a private Message
I have to interject here. I saw a UFO a couple of years ago. Im not saying they exist, are not demonic projections, or that it was a product of my own mind. All i am saying is i saw a large triangle spinning as it traveled from east to west over my city and am absolutly positive that I SAW IT. Im not sure what it was but the image is burned into my memory and cannot be erased. Thank you and consider the possibility that unidentified craft may be out there. More likley to be military before extraterrestrial.



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