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schwartzchildradius999
X-Ray Wave
USA
1858 Posts |
 Posted - 02/26/2003 : 11:06:48
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Zacarias
Radio Wave
United Kingdom
22 Posts |
 Posted - 02/26/2003 : 12:03:55
Ashcroft's, Bush's and Ridge's editing of the constitution should be very worrying to real American patriots. America's had these freedoms for over two hundred years; the civil liberties shoudn't be eroded by over-zealous leaders. Perversely, it's been Christian fundamentalists like Dick Armey that are trying to put a halt to some of Ashcroft's editing of the constitution. Some credit should be given to him for stopping that truly alarming Operation TIPS.Patriot Act, Operation TIPS, and some of the other schemes in general are basically COINTELPRO revisited.
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njorl
Visible Light Wave
USA
725 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2003 : 16:25:10
What? Herbert Hoover was out of office 18 years before McCarthy entered the Senate. Do you mean J. Edgar Hoover?Anyway, model rocketers have an easy solution. Just claim that you are going to use your rocket as a weapon. If you promise to use it as a weapon, your right to bear arms protects your right to own it, according to Ashcroft. It is only if you plan to use it for peaceful purposes that the government can ban it.  If that fails, try buying a large caliber gun, and shooting it into the air for fun. Mr. Ashcroft approves of this behavior. Mr. Ashcroft's interpretation of the second amendment has some interesting ramifications. American citizens could own nuclear weapons. We could keep heroin provided we intended to put it in dart guns and shoot intruders with it. Fun fun fun. Njorl "Deceive everyone under 30!" -- um, Me
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Zero
PF Mentor
USA
5996 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2003 : 16:37:22
Fun, fun, fun...isn't this sort of action from the administration kind of...anti-freedom and anti-American?******************************
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Alias
Micro Wave
USA
166 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2003 : 16:44:17
This forum has become some kind of twisted liberal love fest.You'd think science heads would be more objective. It's no wonder advancements in physics are so slow.
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Zero
PF Mentor
USA
5996 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2003 : 16:50:26
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Originally posted by Alias:
This forum has become some kind of twisted liberal love fest.You'd think science heads would be more objective. It's no wonder advancements in physics are so slow.
This post is supposed to contribute how, exactly, to the discussion at hand? Stick to the topic or don't post.
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njorl
Visible Light Wave
USA
725 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2003 : 16:51:23
C'mon Alias, even the libertarian conservatives hate Ashcroft.Njorl "Deceive everyone under 30!" -- um, Me
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Alias
Micro Wave
USA
166 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2003 : 19:07:58
The reason why I've decided to say what I feel, rather than trying to reason with you is because you censor what you don't like based on your political and philisophical views.You let insults fly as long as you agree with those issuing them. Therefor, this is an open forum, only until the opposition proposes undeniable arguments, or the opposition demands that posters face hypocrisy, or until someone fights fire with fire. Then it becomes a forum of ideas that agree with the moderator.
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Zero
PF Mentor
USA
5996 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2003 : 19:40:37
quote:
Originally posted by Alias:
The reason why I've decided to say what I feel, rather than trying to reason with you is because you censor what you don't like based on your political and philisophical views.You let insults fly as long as you agree with those issuing them. Therefor, this is an open forum, only until the opposition proposes undeniable arguments, or the opposition demands that posters face hypocrisy, or until someone fights fire with fire. Then it becomes a forum of ideas that agree with the moderator.
No, I 'censor'(and you agreed to let me censor), due to either a comment being obviously insulting or off topic. You haven't contributed anything pertinant to the discussion, and the next off-topic post will be deleted, period.
The thread is about the loss of civil liberties and seemingly unreasonable steps the administration has taken post 9-11. Try posting about that, instead of complaining about not being allowed to post whetever you feel like, rules be damned.
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Zero
PF Mentor
USA
5996 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2003 : 19:57:14
I'm thinking that this actualy speaks to a deeper issue in America, which is out tendency to overreact to everything, especoally wen the media gets involved. I'm sure arresting very young children for 'making terrorist threats' while playing with cap guns in going to prevent a bombing or another Columbine...right. In the same way, many ideas that the administration have come up with seem to have less to do with making people safe, and more to do with giving the illusion of doing something, no matter how obviously ineffective.******************************
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FZ
Gamma Wave
United Kingdom
2224 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2003 : 20:02:55
[reply deleted because it may be regarded as insulting, sparking another flame war etc etc.... Sorry Zero!]
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Edited by - FZ on 02/26/2003 23:52:01
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Zero
PF Mentor
USA
5996 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2003 : 20:09:58
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Originally posted by FZ:
So Alias, you are PRO the removal of civil liberties and the introduction of rule by terror? It seems rather inconsistent with the rest of your posts, if I am not mistaken....-------------
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FZ, post to the topic, not to Alias, ok?
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Mr. Robin Parsons
Infrared Wave
Canada
355 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2003 : 01:27:04
Personally I voted 'Yes', (nothing new there!) and I think that you should learn to make your own rocket fuel. (originally, I typed rAcket fuel, Freudian slipping??)
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Ganshauk
Infrared Wave
USA
471 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2003 : 06:38:17
Well, I must say that this is truly overstepping the bounds.I believe Ashcroft needs a leash. Who would use SFR for bombs? I mean, fertilizer is so much cheaper! How am I going to take out the minibus full of terrorists without my Ganshauk Enterprises Brand Homemade Shoulder Launched Rocket (tm) with a compass in the stock! without my SFRs? However, I will believe it when I see it. Until then, it is only hearsay and/or media hype. Ashcroft is like this dude who is given a totally impossible task and knows it but doesn't want to let anyone think he doesn't know what he is doing so he just spouts off the first ridiculous things off the top of his head in order to look "authoratative". Oh well, what can you expect when politicians try to play like thier security experts.
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Zero
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USA
5996 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2003 : 08:58:56
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Originally posted by Ganshauk:
Ashcroft is like this dude who is given a totally impossible task and knows it but doesn't want to let anyone think he doesn't know what he is doing so he just spouts off the first ridiculous things off the top of his head in order to look "authoratative".
Politics for the 21st century...doing something, and giving a speech with a fancy backdrop, is more important than going back to your office and figuring out the RIGHT thing to do.
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schwartzchildradius999
X-Ray Wave
USA
1858 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2003 : 08:58:06
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Personally I voted 'Yes', (nothing new there!) and I think that you should learn to make your own rocket fuel.
do you know something I don't? I thought that one needed a vacuume chamber (autoclave?) to make good rocket motors that don't explode. The principle is that kids build and fly model rockets, safely, with safe rocket motors. I guess we assume that it is an unintended consequence of the fatherland security admin?
In any case, the gov. is using the dead of 2001 to pry away blood won civil liberties.
In the constitution of the U.S.S.R., there is the same flowery language protecting individuals from unlawful search and seizure as is in the 4th amendment to the US constitution. The only difference is, what we do about it.
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Mr. Robin Parsons
Infrared Wave
Canada
355 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2003 : 15:23:29
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Originally posted by schwartzchildradius999do you know something I don't? I thought that one needed a vacuume chamber (autoclave?) to make good rocket motors that don't explode. The principle is that kids build and fly model rockets, safely, with safe rocket motors.
Apparently I don't know the question you are asking as you seem to be mixing building rocket MOTORS and Rocket FUEL As far as I know an autoclave is an oven, shouldn't be needed in making fuel. As you clearly mention that you love model rocketry, I assumed (Perhaps wrongly?) that you would therefore have the knowledge of just how to handle this stuff properly, safely! If you do not know how to do it safely, or if you are simply uncertain, then do not do it GET EXPERT HELP!No where, in what I stated, have I advised any children (are you one?) to act in an unsafe manner, then again, as it is stated above, if you do not know how to do it, or are simply uncertain, do not even so little as try it, get assistance from people who do know how to do it SAFELY! As for making rocket motors that do not explode, don't even try it if you do not know how to make secure ones right from the beginning! Education, as in this is your education president, (G. Bush) is what keeps all of us safer!
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Edited by - Mr. Robin Parsons on 02/28/2003 15:24:17
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Zero
PF Mentor
USA
5996 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2003 : 16:46:54
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons:
quote:
Originally posted by schwartzchildradius999do you know something I don't? I thought that one needed a vacuume chamber (autoclave?) to make good rocket motors that don't explode. The principle is that kids build and fly model rockets, safely, with safe rocket motors.
Apparently I don't know the question you are asking as you seem to be mixing building rocket MOTORS and Rocket FUEL As far as I know an autoclave is an oven, shouldn't be needed in making fuel. As you clearly mention that you love model rocketry, I assumed (Perhaps wrongly?) that you would therefore have the knowledge of just how to handle this stuff properly, safely! If you do not know how to do it safely, or if you are simply uncertain, then do not do it GET EXPERT HELP!No where, in what I stated, have I advised any children (are you one?) to act in an unsafe manner, then again, as it is stated above, if you do not know how to do it, or are simply uncertain, do not even so little as try it, get assistance from people who do know how to do it SAFELY! As for making rocket motors that do not explode, don't even try it if you do not know how to make secure ones right from the beginning! Education, as in this is your education president, (G. Bush) is what keeps all of us safer!
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schwartzchildradius999
X-Ray Wave
USA
1858 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2003 : 01:52:12
Thanks for your concern but I really am a cautious fellow.JUPPITER OMNIPOTES, AUDACIBUS ANNUE COEPTIS
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Ganshauk
Infrared Wave
USA
471 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2003 : 02:15:31
Bwahahahha.Someone clarify for this freakin terrorist. Be as dangerous as you can. Safety is for the weak. Be concise. Be deadly.
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Zero
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USA
5996 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2003 : 03:19:17
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Originally posted by Ganshauk:
Bwahahahha.Someone clarify for this freakin terrorist. Be as dangerous as you can. Safety is for the weak. Be concise. Be deadly.
HUH?
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Edited by - Zero on 03/01/2003 03:20:48
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